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Kapitan 04-24-17 03:53 PM

I have never liked the format i quote the president of Europe "There will be no reforms" how can you work in a system that cannot reform or adapt? eventually people will grow sick and tired of stagnation as they did in the soviet union.

I do not like the fact that a foreign court can over rule our own sovereign courts the supreme court should be the final step not Strasbourg.

I do not like the fact they have a flag my country has one and its quite a nice flag i have no need for a bit of blue with some gold on it.

I have a Monarch who is head of state whom i respect whom i swore allegiance too, i never have or will ever support that idea for Europe

I cannot stand the fact that Europe is trying to present itself as a united state or super state i want no part of that full stop I am British I have my country my island i do not want some ponce in a foreign land telling me i'm doing it wrong (hypocritical i know)

My family fought and some died to ensure that we have the freedom of today

I see Europe as a new form of a "Communist socialist state" in terms of Mr Junker who elected you? oh right no one in Europe.

I see Europe as a want to be country, a want to be state, one that does away with national identity, does away with things a lot of people still hold dear to them regardless of the country they are in.

France is the 3rd largest economy in the EU behind Germany and Britain i cant see the EU lasting should France pulls out because you have the leech countries still draining money away Greece Spain are two of the culprits, yet i pass by many signs in those countries that says "sponsored by the EU" oh wait that means mugs like me, yet i have never seen such a sign in the UK it just seems we put in we get sod all out.

Bring back the borders a lot of the terrorist problems in France and Germany were caused because of the free movement idea, thank god we never signed shengen ! its easy to commit a crime in Paris and skip across to Poland and then out of the EU how the heck would you ever be found ?

Do people in the EU parliament not get the ordinary man the working class of all Europe are sick and tired of being told were better off when in reality we are not?

My industry has suffered hugely because of the EU before the implementation of the DCPC certification in my industry we were thriving the day it came in we lost nearly 15,000 highly skilled workers we went from having around 12,000 short to over 35,000 in the proceeding years and its the same across all of the EU the same thing.

The EU even bars us from fining people who flout EU laws in the UK ! come on they can do it in France Germany Belgium but the UK oh no!

What about Sweden ? members of Shengen oh wait because of the problems with migrants they withdrew does that not tell you there is a massive issue that needs to be solved? when i was in Malmo a few months back the Swedish prime minister announced publicly that 16,000 refugees will be returned home in 2017 due to their false statements and false applications this is after Sweden stated it would take 100,000 of them that's a big portion in one year and nope the EU bods stick head firmly in the sand.

A lot of people would label me racist (which would be incorrect the definition of racist is the belief that one ethnic race (not religion) is superior to another) and Xenophobic (the fear of foreigners and foreign influence), neither is true i believe that if you have a genuine claim and you are at risk you should be granted asylum no matter where you are from, however the majority who make false claims label and tarnish this and those who genuinely do need the assistance suffer because of other peoples selfish acts.

For me the EU is one bad apple and it does need to be cast out with something better in place the EU went wrong when it became political the concept of free market system free movement is a good one but its being used as a loaded gun to members heads and that is not right.

I hope France votes for Le Pen and i hope she does exit the EU the British have shown you the light and the way follow us.

ikalugin 04-24-17 03:59 PM

The only core issue that I see in the EU is it's un-democratic nature and that issue would be a deal breaker for me (if I was a citezens of EU member state). However I would be for federalised United States of Europe if that issue was solved and the EU leadership was accountable to me as a voter, either directly or indirectly.

Majority of other problems people see with such system (ie internal migration) can be solved (ie by barriers to said internal migration). However one must first solve the core issue and probably change the ideology behind EU leadership, because without the later it would be hard to solve lesser problems (ie internal migration).

Kapitan 04-24-17 04:07 PM

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Originally Posted by ikalugin (Post 2480547)
The only core issue that I see in the EU is it's un-democratic nature and that issue would be a deal breaker for me (if I was a citezens of EU member state). However I would be for federalised United States of Europe if that issue was solved and the EU leadership was accountable to me as a voter, either directly or indirectly.

Majority of other problems people see with such system (ie internal migration) can be solved (ie by barriers to said internal migration). However one must first solve the core issue and probably changes the ideology behind EU leadership, because without the later it would be hard to solve lesser problems (ie internal migration).


I have no issue with EU citizens coming and taking jobs in the UK because we go over there and do the same so its a fair game, it also gives a lot of diversity and choice a lot of my guys are Romanian simply because British people don't want to do the work any more its a bit like the old commonwealth when Jamaicans came to the UK to fill the vacancies for Bus drivers in the 50's and 60's

I myself have worked in many EU and Non EU countries and found it a nice challenge and change. it can only be said though it has to work both ways and unfortunately it doesn't.

The real problem came when the EU opened its doors to countries like Romania and said no controls the value of the £1 does go a long way in Romania many of my lads have 6-8 bedroom houses and acres of land back home through British wages they live on £40 per week send it home that no good for a domestic economy, what i am paying them does not get reinvested into the British system its being farmed out and theirs only so much farming out you can do before you crash.

Can i blame the people for doing it? nope absolutely not who wouldn't want to work hard for a better life?

ikalugin 04-24-17 06:24 PM

As I have said - you can have internal migration controls.

Just not with current EU elites.

Jimbuna 04-25-17 06:19 AM

Some of the press are now saying that Macron is just another Hollande but in a different suit.

Was it just a coincidence Macron threw a rather lavish celebratory party after his first round victory at the same outrageously expensive cafe Hollande celebrated in when he won the first round back during his election? :hmmm:

Skybird 04-25-17 06:36 AM

Russia could not take and keep the Crimean.

Brexit could not happen.

Trump could not win.

LePen can not succeed.

Bilge_Rat 04-25-17 08:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jimbuna (Post 2480626)
Some of the press are now saying that Macron is just another Hollande but in a different suit.

Was it just a coincidence Macron threw a rather lavish celebratory party after his first round victory at the same outrageously expensive cafe Hollande celebrated in when he won the first round back during his election? :hmmm:

Well Macron was a member of the Socialist party.

He worked as part of President Hollande's staff from 2012 to 2014.

He was minister of finance under Hollande from 2014 to 2016....

hard not to make the link.

ikalugin 04-25-17 10:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Skybird (Post 2480633)
Russia could not take and keep the Crimean.

Brexit could not happen.

Trump could not win.

LePen can not succeed.

You leave some bits out, for example regarding the recent elections in the Netherlands. After BREXIT and Trump people were predicting different results there but none came.

Bilge_Rat 04-25-17 11:33 AM

today's poll:

-Macron - 61%
-Le Pen - 39%

Hard to see how he could blow/she could overcome a 22 point gap in two weeks.

http://www.parismatch.com/Actu/Polit...Le-Pen-1241657

Jimbuna 04-25-17 12:02 PM

^ Yeah and she's dropped her position as president of FN for the time being but I doubt that will make much difference.

Bilge_Rat 04-27-17 09:43 AM

dirty politics?

The European Parliament announced today that Marine Le Pen and 16 other FN deputies may have "defrauded" the EU by as much as 5 million Euros. At issue are salaries for EU parliamentary aides which the EU is claiming were instead used to pay party employees.

http://www.lefigaro.fr/politique/201...ns-d-euros.php

coincidence that this is coming out 1 1/2 week before the election?

ikalugin 04-27-17 10:03 AM

Considering her stance on the EU membership of France and thus existance of the EU?

Jimbuna 04-27-17 10:31 AM

The EU will achieve little other than demonstrate to the world how tainted and vindictive they really are.

Bubblehead1980 04-27-17 12:12 PM

Really is great to see enough people wake up finally to translate to election results. First Brexit, then Trump shocked the world. I believe enough of France is awake to the danger not just their country, but western civilization and culture is facing from various threats from the globalists and the death cult. Time to be tolerant of those who wish to conquer, enslave, and/or murder us all is over.

I believe much like in America a lot of people who supported Trump and still do remain silent until they vote, because it's not "PC" , a lot of people in France support Le Pen will express this at the ballot box. I could be wrong of course.

Bubblehead1980 05-03-17 10:10 PM

“France will be led by a woman, either me or Mrs Merkel,” :har:

Hope France shocks the world as Brits did with Brexit and US did with President Trump.


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