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p7p8 09-20-16 11:52 AM

I'm not frustrated and i had never been!

Are you USA Driver want to make another simple training missions? If not, I don't understand your reaction for this words:
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Please stop with "training missions" and do something more complicated for SP or MP modes :03:
(btw you always ignore my emoticon)

It wasn't agressive!
.. but you take this as personnal attack - this is very sad.

What is rude here:
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Thanks for new mission - it is always good for DW community, but please next time for something more complicated!
Why you did not read this?
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Thanks for new mission - it is always good for DW community
and this:
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TLAM strike finished.
Nice and very easy mission with lot of time to action.
and this:
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Thank You for interesting (but little boring :03: ) training missions.
and this:
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fixed ASuW training:
Thouse quotes are rather good words about your initiative. I hope, you will design more complex missions, because DW community havn't good scenarios for newest RA version.
Like I said, i did some missions (also training one) but not for RA 1.40 (it was RA 1.36 + Betamod 4.11- not compatilile with RA 1.40)

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I want to motivate people to create missions. Not create drama.
but your post about "sharing for free, etc" was first dramatic reaction!

About my opinion "harmfull in some sense" i still know it is absolutly truth.
Experienced MP players - they know what's going on. I gave you one example but this was drop in the ocean of differences between SP and MP. games. Unexperienced player after this kind of trainings will be act versus real player same like versus AI. It equals almost all time useless player in your team.

I hope we will verify mine and yours metods of training very soon in great MP battle.
But last weekend i was waiting 2 hours for MP session and nothing happend :(
Rentacow was informed i can begin mission at least for 2 hours. After my 23:00 was too late for 2-3 h of game. I it risked falling asleep in the middle of battle.

BestofBest 09-20-16 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by p7p8 (Post 2435459)
I fixed your mission and I have reviewed others completly for free and you call it "rude and seriously ungrateful".

I know that kind of missions are not good for teaching players "how to do something" in MP session. I have some experience in teaching players about DW in MP mode (tactics and mechanics). Furthermore that missions are harmfull (in some sense) because AI act copmletly different than other players. For exapmle: AI can directly attack you by subroc after launching torpedo or ASM. Normaly player have only bearing. AI have bearing, speed, course and range!

Afrerall if you want "sweet review" of your missions please read this:

1) ASW training US - excelent mission! -
2) ASW training RU - outstanding!
3) ASuW training - very nice! - good work!
4) T'LAM training - marvelous!

Is this what you want to read?




to be honest to say,his Missions helped me a lot for Training.
He did not claim that it is complex, this mission should be used only for training, for me and for others. And also I was killed in one of the mission, it was not easy like it is now. But I think you seem like a Pro to me. When you can do better then do it.
And complex multiplayer missions we've had enough, so it had to go out every 2 or the game crashed after time, complex MP missions just do not work.
Dangerous Waters has no save function in the game, you cant savegame in multiplayer.
And such people like you, we've also had enough, if you are Pro, then we prove that in the game.
It is no wonder why hostile is if such there people like you are.
This mission should help others like me to practice more was here not talking.
I am always grateful when someone gives me a mission, and you do that in the future also

sry my english is not good,me german,but you know what i mean.

Aktungbby 09-20-16 12:37 PM

Welcome aboard!
 
BestofBest!:Kaleun_Salute:

USA~Driver 09-20-16 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by p7p8 (Post 2435883)
I'm not frustrated and i had never been!
About my opinion "harmfull in some sense" i still know it is absolutly truth.
Experienced MP players - they know what's going on. I gave you one example but this was drop in the ocean of differences between SP and MP. games. Unexperienced player after this kind of trainings will be act versus real player same like versus AI. It equals almost all time useless player in your team.

I hope we will verify mine and yours metods of training very soon in great MP battle.


This is where you're absolutely off the tracks. These missions were not intended to teach multiplayer tactics to newbies. These were simple SINGLE PLAYER missions, to be played as SINGLE PLAYER missions to have the player work on differing techniques with different submarines. The fact that this is the third time I've had to state this indicated to me either someone isn't reading what was posted, or there's a misunderstanding somewhere. I'm glad "Best of best" spoke up because he's the person these missions were created for, the fact he was killed testifies to that fact they are helpful to some. Not everyone is as advanced as some others and we all learn at differing speeds. These missions cannot be deemed harmful because they've already helped the sole person they were created for. So I reject the argument because you're trying to misrepresent their intended purpose.

The fact you keep trying to make this into a multiplayer situation when no one said anything about it speaks to you not understanding what my intentions were. Now I have the person here that can give his own testimony. I let future readers decide for themselves. I didn't donate these missions to spark some great debate on who's training methods are better. We are not as multiplayer focused as some, we primarily play single (or at least I do) missions and save the multiplayer for get together's on the weekends.

You say you want more? I hadn't planned on releasing anything else, as I said these four missions were slated for deletion until I was asked to post them here. I don't give a flying fig whether anyone likes them or not: I'm totally aware you can't please everyone. My beef was the attitude. Perhaps we misunderstood each other, maybe . . But I stand by everything I said. I'm going to push back on the misrepresentation as I see it.

However I do have something else (SINGLE PLAYER) that may provide some fun - a weapons range that I developed that rentacow wants me to release. I hadn't planned on it but just maybe.

@P7P8, as for your challenge you know where to find me. We can play. But only if done in the spirit of comradery and fellowship that is is the hallmark of multiplayer play. I have been playing subsims since 1989 way back on SEGA GENESIS with"688 Attack Sub" and every game Kim Castro has put out since then - I am a well seasoned player both at single and multiplayer and I am full aware of the differences inherent in both. You've been training up folks for about a year, I have about two decades on you in that department. We've played with Jacik and his boys before - I'm sure we can have fun and exchange ideas, that's what its all about to me. Bottom lining it: I have nothing to prove to anyone.

So I hope this goes a long way to clearing this bit of kerfuffle up and maybe lead to some benefit to everyone.

p7p8 09-20-16 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by BestofBest (Post 2435896)
to be honest to say,his Missions helped me a lot for Training.

I am glad to read this! I hope, you now also looking for more complex missions because DW can give you more satisfaction when task is difficult to complete.

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This is where you're absolutely off the tracks. These missions were not intended to teach multiplayer tactics to newbies
I know that since first post. Why you still mention that?
My asking for non-training missions does not imply those training missions was created for MP.

"I am much more experienced player because when I was 4 years old i took a bath with my rubber yellow duck" - once again, please chill out man :)

Nippelspanner 09-20-16 02:32 PM

This escalated interestingly. :yep:


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