Can you name some instances where this has happened? Outside of the battlefield I mean. That's just one of anti-gun lobbies talking points but it's based on a supposition not a fact.

http://deadstate.org/combat-veterans...omment-page-1/

Not yet, not publically anyway, but it's come close:

http://www.slate.com/articles/health..._firearms.html


http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/1...h-Good-Guy-Gun

Not quite the same thing but i'll see that and raise you 12.

http://controversialtimes.com/issues...uys-with-guns/

12 what? The discussion was over incidents regarding 'good guys' potentially shooting each other. If it is going to be extended to other incidents involving guns held by civilians*, logically it also needs to include incidents like this: http://www.vocativ.com/315008/even-t...lence-problem/

And back on the topic of 'good guys' potentially shooting 'good guys', read this:
http://www.slate.com/articles/health..._firearms.html

* Edit: just noticed that not all of the 12 incidents involved civilian 'good guys' anyway. I don't think anyone is arguing that U.S. law enforcement officers should be unarmed.

Not quite. The discussion was on whether people should have the right to carry firearms on college campus' and the unproven assumption that in a mass shooting situation armed "good guys" would just shoot each other instead. Your link was just some more opinions on the subject whereas I provided 12 real life examples where not only did that not happen but also lives were saved. As for the Zamudio he's a prime example that "good guys" aren't going to just open fire indiscriminately.

Just remember what Giffords is advocating is making sure that potential victims never have the ability to fight back. What i'd like to see is those who create "gun free zones" are held responsible when they don't prevent a mass killer from gaining access to that zone.

And what about holding those who oppose "gun free zones" responsible for all the deaths that civilian-owned firearms cause?

No three incidents didn't but in even among those:

That doesn't take away from the other nine incidents though where mass shootings were minimized or outright prevented by civilians with a firearm.

Isn't that what you're trying to do by disarming potential victims?

August, if you want to claim that easy access to firearms makes mass killings less likely, please provide the data. Not anecdotes, data.

I don't claim any such thing although I am beginning to doubt that any proof would satisfy you if at least nine examples aren't good enough.

What I do believe however most firmly is that gun free zones are nothing but playgrounds for mass murderers where only the potential victims are disarmed. If you can prove me wrong then do so but opinion pieces are not proof.

Your beliefs aren't proof either.

It will be interesting to observe how this test case works out. I am glad it is in Texas.

I'm not trying to prove anything to you, just saying that in my view the "you can imagine what will happen" argument is worthless. I have provided at least 9 examples that refute it and i'm sure if I kept looking i'd find many more.

The real obvious truth here is that the only people actually prevented from carrying firearms in a gun "free" zone are the potential victims, those who don't intend to cause anyone harm in the first place and care enough about the law to obey it. Prove me wrong but show me something besides opinion pieces.

Now if you think that walling off entire colleges and installing armed guard checkpoints and metal detectors in every doorway is better response than allowing properly licensed gun owners to carry concealed like they can everywhere else then more power to you but I disagree. If you won't do the former (and so far they haven't) then you have to allow the latter or you're telling people that their lives aren't as important as your political agenda.

Actually Texas is joins Arkansas, Colorado, Idaho, Kansas, Mississippi, Oregon, Utah, Tennessee and Wisconsin in that regard. 23 more states allow it if authorized by the school. So far no bloodbaths resulting.