Originally Posted by Webster (Post 2382393)

I think they should compromise and in certain "rare" cases, apple should decrypt the data and turn it over if they have a warrant. something done "in house" and completely "secret" known only to apple keeps things as they should be and only provides access for national security reasons only such as getting phone records used to be.

I do NOT think they should create software to give to anyone to allow decrypting it, that would be stupid and wrong. way too many bad things can happen there.

Originally Posted by Gargamel (Post 2382527)

While this may seem like a simple case, the suspect is dead, and they are looking for loose ends and leads for conspirators, it's not a path we want to take.

If apple does this once, just once, then the precedent is set to keep doing it. This is a pandora's box scenario.

First off, the tech. They can't (supposedly) do it right now. They would have to engineer a solution to break their own security. That itself is a bad idea. Companies get hacked, all the time. If this security crack got loose, it would destroy their entire business model, or at least a good portion of it. Every other phone out there that would be accessible by this crack would be vulnerable to hacking.

Then there's the precedent of it. If they did it in this one case, then what's stopping the government from 'forcing' them to do it again? Nothing. And in fact, we all know it will happen.

I'll paraphrase Franklin here. Those would give up some freedom for a little security, deserve neither freedom nor security.

Originally Posted by Kazuaki Shimazaki II (Post 2382523)

Here's my question. Why is a scheme never attempted where law enforcement is permitted to do these things, but it will cost them automatically even in the best case? Why must Legality always mean complete immunity?

Originally Posted by Webster (Post 2382393)

I think they should compromise and in certain "rare" cases, apple should decrypt the data and turn it over if they have a warrant. something done "in house" and completely "secret" known only to apple keeps things as they should be and only provides access for national security reasons only such as getting phone records used to be.

I do NOT think they should create software to give to anyone to allow decrypting it, that would be stupid and wrong. way too many bad things can happen there.

Originally Posted by Commander Wallace (Post 2382415)

I suggest you read up on the subject a bit more .

Thomas Jefferson (April 13 [O.S. April 2] 1743 – July 4, 1826) was an American Founding Father who was principal author of the Declaration of Independence (1776).

During the American Revolution, he represented Virginia in the Continental Congress that adopted the Declaration, drafted the law for religious freedom as a Virginia legislator, and served as a wartime governor (1779–1781).
Jefferson served as a delegate to the Second Continental Congress beginning in 1775 at the outbreak of the American Revolutionary War. He sought out John Adams who, along with the latter's cousin Samuel, had emerged as a leader of the Congress. Jefferson and Adams established a permanent friendship which led to Jefferson's work on the Declaration of Independence. Adams supported Jefferson's appointment to the Committee of Five formed to write the Declaration in furtherance of the Lee Resolution passed by the Congress.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Jefferson

Apparently ,Wikipedia disagrees with you. Perhaps you should send them a note and site your expertise. If you notice, I had said " one of the framers " of the Constitution. Wikipedia agrees with that .

Your time might be better spent reading up on the material instead of trying to make others look foolish.

The article I wrote was to inform others of what issues are taking shape in Federal Court and how far reaching the implications of these questions are and the ramifications and consequences of any decisions.

The article was further written to invite discussion and debate among our more learned and intelligent Subsim members.

Originally Posted by Rockin Robbins (Post 2382679)

Apparently you should actually read what Wikipedia has to say. Where does it say that Jeffereson was one of the framers of the US Constitution? It does not. And he was not.

Steve is exactly right and your "evidence" bears that out. Your time might better be spent......etc.

Originally Posted by Commander Wallace (Post 2382687)

I had no idea there was going to be a test today.

Originally Posted by August (Post 2382758)

Think of it this way, you're turning in a test paper every time you hit the Submit Reply button. :)

Originally Posted by Eichhörnchen (Post 2382708)

This is all very well, but none of it explains exactly why they gave the part of the chimney sweep to Dick Van Dyke.

Originally Posted by Rockin Robbins (Post 2382678)

And I'm utterly dismayed that Apple did not offer exactly that solution. Then no tool would escape the process and the legitimate need to know the contents of a dead murderer's cell phone would be satisfied.

Apple would merely extract the data and send the data only to the Federal government.

Originally Posted by Rockstar (Post 2382742)

Rather than the word getting out Apple just complied with a government request. A show is put on for the public to keep up the appearence of a company concerned about their customers privacy