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ikalugin 10-04-15 07:45 AM

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“How many girlfriends have you had?” by saying “0. Never had anyone.” When pressed further by another user, he responded “Well, it means I’ve never been with anyone, no woman nor man (nor dog or animal or any other).”
Well, I don't go shooting people to death because of that.
https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/i...zFGsTBydnqvWEQ

August 10-04-15 08:16 AM

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Originally Posted by ikalugin (Post 2348951)
Well, I don't go shooting people to death because of that.
https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/i...zFGsTBydnqvWEQ

Just because that's not your snapping point means it couldn't be his?

ikalugin 10-04-15 08:21 AM

It could be, I just find a situation where that happens sad, especially as a person who could relate.

A xenophobic paranoid paleo conservatist may even say that the person in question was weak and the society that is moving towards generating more such weakness is doomed. But then I would have to live in North America to actually care about that :)

Torplexed 10-04-15 10:00 AM

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Originally Posted by August (Post 2348904)
IMO the natural extension of the entitlement mindset. Mass murder has become the ultimate temper tantrum

angry at not having a girlfriend and bitter at a world that he believed was working against him.

Sounds a bit like the "I-can't-get-any-killer" in Santa Barbara from last year. A loser with a gun unfortunately. Increasingly, we have people for whom failure & frustration in life is taken out on complete strangers before they "off" themselves.

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Hours after posting a terrifying YouTube warning, a murderous, misogynistic, 22-year-old virgin killed six people and wounded 13 more near a California college.

Elliot Rodger, the hate-filled son of a Hollywood director, vowed in his video to exact his bloody vengeance against the sorority women who rejected him and the men who succeeded where he so often failed.
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crim...icle-1.1804354

Kptlt. Neuerburg 10-04-15 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by August (Post 2348904)
Quiet doesn't mean they aren't angry. These animals are always mad at the world and their perceived unfair treatment.

Take this last one. According to that liberal rag the New York Times.



http://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/03/us...pgtype=article

IMO the natural extension of the entitlement mindset. Mass murder has become the ultimate temper tantrum.

I think the real problem is, is that people such as this shooter don't recognize the faults in their person. They don't identify these faults and therefore never make any attempt to change themselves for the better and then turn around and blame society for their problems. I should know this from personal experience as at one point in time I was the social outcast, the loner, the nerd, the weirdo, and I was bullied because I was different from everyone else and soon I started to follow the dark road which would eventually lead to either an attempt at suicide or even possibly going committing a mass shooting. Yet instead of trying to blame everything that had gone wrong in my life on everyone else I sought to better myself and to get help when I needed it. These cases have less to do with entitlement and more to do with the mindset of a person who is ostracized for being different be it a physical deformity, having a stutter, not receiving attention from parents and therefore end up playing the fool, the weirdo, the dumb kid, and get teased and bullied for it because it's a form of attention although it's the wrong kind of attention or in some cases they shut themselves away from society because they become paranoid because they feel a person or persons are trying to ruin their life and anyone who this person feels has some act of aggression, no matter how slight or stupid end up as another person who is trying to sabotage them. If they continue like this and not seeking the help they need and try to better themselves, they will eventfully snap and then seek either attention by committing some heinous act or they will seek attention by some form of revenge on those who they feel have wronged them.

NeonSamurai 10-04-15 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by August (Post 2348904)
Quiet doesn't mean they aren't angry. These animals are always mad at the world and their perceived unfair treatment.

Take this last one. According to that liberal rag the New York Times.

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For investigators searching for his path to mass murder, he left behind a typewritten manifesto at the scene and a string of online postings that showed he had become increasingly interested in other high-profile shootings, angry at not having a girlfriend and bitter at a world that he believed was working against him.Mr. Harper-Mercer appeared to have a particular animus against organized religion, and some survivors’ families have said he asked the victims whether they were Christians before shooting them.
Just this week, on Tuesday, using the handle lithium_love, he commented on a post titled “How many girlfriends have you had?” by saying “0. Never had anyone.” When pressed further by another user, he responded “Well, it means I’ve never been with anyone, no woman nor man (nor dog or animal or any other).” Then, on Wednesday, responding to a comment that he “must be saving himself for someone special,” he said, “Involuntarily so.” It was a day before the killings.
“He did not like his lot in life, and it seemed like nothing was going right for him,” a law enforcement official said, describing the writings found at the crime scene. “It’s clear he was in a very bad state of mind.”
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/03/us...pgtype=article

IMO the natural extension of the entitlement mindset. Mass murder has become the ultimate temper tantrum.

Yes anger & jealousy is often a large part of it, but often in person these people tend to be rather quiet and very isolated. The internet is something else entirely because of the perceived anonymity, so it is not unusual at all to find those people to be far more vocal and self revealing then in person.

The bigger question is, why did this kid go through with what so many kids often imagine doing during periods of grief or loneliness? All kinds of kids go through these experience and yet never get to the point of killing others over it. Entitlement does not explain it as frankly we all in the 1st world have strong feelings of entitlement, particularly within the last few generations. It also is much more than just a temper tantrum, this is a murder suicide, where this person has reached the point where they give up, and want to cause as much harm to their perceived abusers as possible.

Now this does not mean that I think you are entirely wrong either, as some of it does come from this culture of self-victimization and profound egoism. But the behavior of murder suicide has being going on for a very long time (throughout history really). We just know about recent events more because of mass media, and the carnage has gone up with our technological advancements in killing, such as the development semi-auto/full-auto weapons, and large capacity magazines, which really enabled people to kill large numbers of other people very quickly and with decreased self risk. We are long past the days of cap and ball guns, matchlocks, bows, or blades.

Torvald Von Mansee 10-08-15 10:33 PM

I went to school at a place which was filled with humorless, P.C. Nazis. (OMG...someone has a semester or two of schooling suddenly is a knowitall at 19.) I might be left-of-center, but I certainly don't sugarcoat my words.

August 10-09-15 08:29 AM

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Originally Posted by NeonSamurai (Post 2348979)
We just know about recent events more because of mass media, and the carnage has gone up with our technological advancements in killing, such as the development semi-auto/full-auto weapons, and large capacity magazines, which really enabled people to kill large numbers of other people very quickly and with decreased self risk.

Those weapons have been available since the 1920's. For example a Thompson Sub-machinegun, far more deadly in close quarters than any semi-automatic, was available for public sale for decades, yet they have never been used in a school shooting. In fact the most deadly school massacre was not committed with a firearm but rather explosives. Google the Bath Massacre.

The point is madmen will always find a way. We need to stop wasting our time with feel good but ultimately ineffectual gun control legislation and start getting to the root of why they commit their crimes and just as importantly in my mind why the media is so eager to feed them with ideas and rewards them with fame for doing it.


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