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Just remember, Dickon was innocent! Don't believe the Tudor propaganda! :yep:

Furthermore, I think it's stupid that he will be buried in Leicester, not York. :nope:

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Originally Posted by Neal Stevens (Post 2260146)

Yeah, it's staggering the number of times the names Edward and Henry get used over and over.

I just started the Red Queen, seems to be the 2nd book in Philippa Gregory's series. The first I just finished, The Lady of the Rivers, sets up the story, and I can tell now, by starting the Red Queen, a lot more about the TV series The White Queen, as in who's who, etc. Seems the TV series skips all the stuff from the first two books and jumps right in, no explanations. Well, now I know who the wretchedly amitious and pious woman in the TV series is, she's Margaret Beaufort, and she's the protagonist in the Red Queen (book 2) ((did I mention there are several Margarets to keep track of, also?)). So, ah ha, I see, and now it's making more sense. Plus the books do an outstanding job of casually filling in the family histories.

Margaret, Anne, Henry, Richard, Edward... someone get these people a better baby naming book! :O: It gets even more confusing by the tendency sometimes to refer to a man by his title - Clarence, Warwick, Gloucester, etc., which then has to be mentally reconciled with whichever Tom, Dick or Harry (or rather George, Richard or Henry) who's holding it at the moment.

This site looks to have a pretty decent collections of royal family trees for Britain, going all the way from Alfred the Great to the current generation, plus separate ones for the Plantagenets and Tudors which would likely encompass the period you're dealing with.

http://www.britroyals.com/royals.htm

I first became interested in the era when I saw Six Wives of Henry VIII back in 1971. Since then I've read a few books, and own a copy of Mike Ashley's British Kings and Queens.
http://www.amazon.com/British-kings-...K3KMG1ZEDVXG7T

Also I have a copy of the prequel to Six Wives, called The Shadow of the Tower, which is a series about Henry VII. It suffers from being made in the period when the BBC had no money at all, but it's still a great show. One of the main characters is Henry's mother, Margaret Beaufort. Now here she is as one of the players in the Wars of the Roses. I think I'll need to see this series as well.

Just finished off The Winter King- Henry VII on kindle. This details the victory of Henry, Earl of Oxford who defeated Richard III at Bosworth and fathers Henry VIII by his marriage to ...Anne, the White Queen's daughter, in effect a union of York and Lancaster sufficient to end the War of the Roses.

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Originally Posted by Aktungbby (Post 2260225)

Oi, spoilers. :O:

Yeah, I knew someone would do that:nope:

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Originally Posted by Neal Stevens (Post 2260146)

God save the King! Whoever that happens to be at the moment.

TREASON!!....Our current monarch is Queen Elizabeth II. Her father George IV ruled until 1952 and was succeeded by Elizabeth :know:

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Originally Posted by Neal Stevens (Post 2260284)

Yeah, I knew someone would do that:nope:

Aye, we could have both made a tidy sum if we were betting folk.

All the 'nookie' on the show? NO KIDDING!

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Originally Posted by Oberon (Post 2260165)

Just remember, Dickon was innocent! Don't believe the Tudor propaganda! :yep:

Furthermore, I think it's stupid that he will be buried in Leicester, not York. :nope:

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Originally Posted by Oberon (Post 2260244)

Oi, spoilers. :O:

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Originally Posted by Neal Stevens (Post 2260284)

Yeah, I knew someone would do that:nope:

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Originally Posted by Jimbuna (Post 2260355)

TREASON!!....Our current monarch is Queen Elizabeth II. Her father George IV ruled until 1952 and was succeeded by Elizabeth :know:
Aye, we could have both made a tidy sum if we were betting folk.

INNOCENT!:hmph: well mostly:doh: Nothing in the show is compromised by my mention from the book which is after that period actually-I just re-watched the last episode to be sure- and my mention of Bosworth and the photo of the late Richard III I used in this thread, # 3, have been utilized in the This Date in History thread at least twice beforehand. No all-knowing Lord of his own Forum:salute: can have failed to be apprised by my previous 'pearls o'! wisdom cast before Swell :subsim: Fellas'':yeah: As to my chief detractors: the Oi man of Wilshire and the venerable Sire of Northumbria :O: a glass of Malmsey and a swift Misericorde to you both for your perfidious calumny; inasmuch as you sort of give it away as well. Ol' Dickon might have got a bad propaganda rap... FYI: Queen Elizabeth II is also the present Duke of Lancaster:know: $omeone alway$ walks off with the loot-an obvious 'happy ending'?!! I therefore CRY Foul Craven! :haha: Shades of 'the Rat, the Cat...now where's Lovell the dog"... oh that could be me!:doh:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francis_Lovell,_1st_Viscount_Lovell http://ts2.mm.bing.net/th?id=HN.6080...7&rs=1&pid=1.7 Lawrence Olivier as Richard III-1955 It was directed and produced by Sir 'Larry' who also played the villainous Oscar nominated lead rôle to perfection IMHO, inspired Salvador Dali's portrait of Sir Lawrence Olivier as Richard IIIhttp://ts1.mm.bing.net/th?id=HN.6080...486969&pid=1.7 @ Neal: as to the White Queen: this'll clear it all up!:nope: just her kids alone(12)! But hey there was no TV to watch in days o' yore and gore...In the boudoir or field::rotfl2: She is the ancestor of every English monarch sinceHenry VIII and every Scottish monarch since James V of Scotland. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elizabeth_Woodville Thomas Grey, Marquess of Dorset
Richard Grey
Elizabeth, Queen of England
Mary of York
Cecily, Viscountess Welles
Edward V, King of England
Margaret of York
Richard, Duke of York
Anne, Lady Howard
George, Duke of Bedford
Catherine, Countess of Devon
Bridget of York:k_confused:

You're not getting out of it that easily mister...now tell me, are you a fan of Malmsey wine? :hmmm: :O:

How the butt carried the first "torpedo"!!!

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Originally Posted by Oberon (Post 2260477)

You're not getting out of it that easily mister...now tell me, are you a fan of Malmsey wine? :hmmm: :O:

Only when I'm drinkn' it!:up: Not like poor submerged George, Duke Clarence whose doom I mention'd to Betanov prior to his English journey; since Malmsey originated in Slovenia or Hungary but the varietal also comes from Spain and Portugal at the present as a 'fortified Wine. That a Butt of it would have been on hand attests to the tribulation of the times as the Tower was well stocked for siege..and drinking from the sewage filled Thames was unwise. As a transplanted Minnesotan to the wine capitol of the universe...See Bottleshock-the movie: Napa (take that ya Froggies) Man doth not live by Hamm's Alone:woot: Naturally, were I to acquire a used French oak Butt; and upon drinking it dry, would reshape it somewhat: USS Turtle> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...ine_museum.jpgand sink canoes in the Napa River! :O: :sunny: Just to stay on a submersible theme!:yep: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...ey_Madeira.jpg http://www.luminarium.org/encycloped...emurderers.gifdrowned in the Butt of malmsey

Well, dang. Edwards has done gone and died and all hell's breaking loose.

The series has taken a real dive in quality from episode 6 on. No nuance, the characters are all the same (plotting, plotting, PLOTTING!) and even Richard, the noble one, is a jerk now. BBC really botched this.

a little Plantagenet closure after 532 years.

Good King Richard III, found dumped in a pit, will be buried with all honors due an annointed King of England this 3/26 in the Cathedral at Leicester. The enthusiasm and turn-out is said to be remarkable...Merry old England! http://static2.nydailynews.com/polop.../467241738.jpgI've been following this story for 50 years:http://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/thousands-honor-king-richard-iii-funeral-procession-article-1.2158509 RIP KING!:salute:
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