Well its about bloody time :yep:

DIdnt Obama say he wanted a ground war in the next couple of months?? I mean we cant win this crap for those people buy using air control alone. I know we have the most the sufisticated aircraft...(Dont tell me a mig is better) but damn.... what do we really have to do???

Drop a MOAB on their ass and call it a day...

I feel we should just go in Air, land, and sea and push these ISIS bastards back to the stone age... only logical way i can think off. Forget the political mumbo jumbo bull****. I dont want to hear it.

Well, If you feel that Gungho about it...

Why don't you join up and go for a trot around a desert landscape for a couple of months... see the world.. lovely stretches of blistering hot sand.. horizon to horizon.. just no sea though.
:har:

Great to see the majority (a few hundred are staying behind to train the Afghans) coming home but my thoughts remain with the 453 who paid the ultimate sacrifice.

~SALUTE~

You're quite right Jim, all those troops from the Allies that fought in Afghanistan and who lost their lives, are true hero's!:salute:

But would sacrificing more military make their sacrifices any less in vain?

We never had a clear measurable and obtainable objective in the AF conflict.

I hope the world learned what the British, the Soviets, and now the Americans have learned the hard way - stay out of AF.

I never said they were not true heroes. I totally agree. But, damn!... they ask us to fight for their crap and then.....what happens???
If we dont do it who else will??....

I don't think anybody asked anyone to fight for them... it was more like the USA are now going to invade AF, as an extension of Iraq, and are our 'pals' the Brits, going to help us - which translates to, are you going to share the trouble we're going to make.

So one 'evil' force went after another.. currently the result is a draw, and with the pullout, you lose... :hmmm: again!!

So WHEN are the US and Brits going to have that light-bulb moment that your 'leaders' are dragging you through the desert sand, literally, and you all think it's for a good cause and patriotism. I'm afraid you have been hoodwinked again for a simple reason.

The Middle East (and most of the world) is a completely different culture to the West, they think and operate differently and this is not going to change... whether these guys live next to you, or across a continent or two. To think you're going to change their way.. to your way... nah nah!! no amount of bombing/killing, short of extermination, is going to change that.

So what are the real reasons for the invasion.. a question not really answered yet !


:arrgh!::arrgh!::arrgh!:

^ That is the problem ;)

Sometimes i think i'm an alien.

All this happens because the human race consists of egomaniac, bloodthirsty and generally uneducated individuals, never informing themselves properly; instead believing media (truthmakers), politicians (manipulative though incompetent egomaniac alpha animals), and prefer doing to thinking.

Those humans are especially dumb until they reach an age of, say, 40.
Then they either resignate wisely, or go on with the bulls.t, now in turn beginning to lead the younger ones by the nose.

Up to 30 years of age the human animals are very influencable, you can manipulate and drag them like you want, as long as you tell them it's for freedom. Or for those 42 virgins. Or for Mickey Mouse, if this is their god.

I have a bad feeling your spot there Oberon.

Imagine there's a war, and no one comes. :hmmm:

Humans stay influencable way beyound the age of 40.

^ Well it was an essay.

We will of course always stick together against the evil Russians.
After they repeatedly (if unproven) violated swedish waters.
And so on.

Hey, the german anchorman of the ZDF (German 2nd channel TV) is a member of the Transatlantikbruecke, what do you expect from us influencable dumbwits.

Looks like not everybody's coming back to America...
Bit of a language warning, but worth watching
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QplQL5eAxlY

A hero is a person who willingly risks his or her life in a cause they don't necessarily believe in. It falls under the auspice of a little something we call "duty".

And yes, it is difficult to understand.