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and young Narcissus fell in love with his own image reflected in a pool of water.

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Originally Posted by Tribesman (Post 2244496)

:har:

Which proves nothing for your claim :yep:
Shall I remind you in case you "forgot" that your claim is that I have never posted a link anywhere on this forum ever.
I wonder how many times I have told you to avoid absolutes?:hmmm:

No, my claim is that you consistently do this, and you do. As I've said three times now, you do those two things and you'll never hear from me again.

I also find it interesting that you think that if you can prove me wrong on just one point it will make your longstanding habit of mocking people and not backing up all of your claims somehow disappear. The simple answer would be to just start backing up your claims. Is that too simple? Or to complicated?

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Originally Posted by Neal Stevens (Post 2244541)

Just show these links, why dodge around it?

I completely agree with this. If you have the links why aren't you showing us them?

Don't wait for the translation!

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Originally Posted by Tribesman (Post 2244593)

Are these your words?

You never link, you never go quote anything from the links that would back up your claims, you never prove your case.

Sure, I said that once. Does that negate all the other times I've worded it differently? Now you're trying to derail the problem by cherry-picking and playing games. Do you deny that you consistently avoid posting links and backing up your arguments?

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Is there any particular reason why you have changed your claim?
Like perhaps it being an obviously untrue claim.

I haven't changed it. Poor wording on my part in one instance, or even more, doesn't change the problem.

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Remember words have meanings. never means never, it means not ever, it means not under any circumstances.

Again, you're attempting to use a mistake on my part to divert attention from your ongoing aversion to justifying your arguments. It doesn't change your attack methods or your continuing habit of ridiculing people rather than discuss your disagreements with them.

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Have a link

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/never

I hate to break it to ya, but if you deal in absolutes one example is all that is needed to prove your claim false.
I have told you repeatedly that you should avoid absolutes.

Now you're doing nothing but playing games, and avoiding what started this all in the first place. You attacked and mocked another member, and rather than show where he was wrong you chose to post ROFL smilies instead.

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Is that the same as me never hearing from you again about your repeated ridiculous claim that I delete peoples names from posts?
Does it carry the same weight, as in no weight at all?

Sure, I was wrong about that. It turned out to be an inability on your part to use the Reply With Quote button, something that still leaves people looking all over the thread to find you who you were quoting.

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So you are saying you do know I post links:hmmm:

Not at all.

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After all there are others which means that is one and you have accepted proof without a link.

As I said before, once is not a trend. You habitually do not back up your arguments and you consistently do not post links.

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Would it be accurate to say you knew this to be true all along and your claim about me never posting links is a statement you knew to be false when you made it
Would it be accurate to say you also knew your accusation to be false when you have made it previously?

Not even close.

Would it be accurate to say you have twisted and turned and done everything within your power to avoid answering the original charge?

Would it be accurate to say this is habitual behavior on your part, avoiding the problem you created in the first place by trying to make it about someone else?

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I chose one example there, not of course because it contains links I posted(as I never post links:03:), and not because I knew I discussed the posted links with a certain person.

I find it interesting that you aren't posting a link to that discussion either, just making another reference. All the rest is prevarication on your part. Did you go into detail and cite why the website's claims were wrong? Or did you just fall back into your usual mocking, which you have also demonstrated plenty of here?

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Now to counter the claim lots of references were given, lots of quotes given, lots of links were given, official documents taken from the primary sources were presented.

Did you point out the exact pages and paragraphs that showed your case, or did you do your usual suggestion that he read the whole thing for himself?

More to the point, can you post a link here to that discussion?

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It was then said that that person could link to 1000 sites...

I once had a similar discussion. When the person showed me some of his links I took the time to point out the fallacies in each claim made, and to show that most of the links he gave were exact copies of the others. Did you do the same, or did you just reply with more mockery?

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Originally Posted by Tribesman (Post 2244638)

Once?

So you used the same words then and didn't change them:nope:

Ah so not "once" then.

How many times have I suggested you avoid absolutes?
Is it each of the numerous occasions you have made the same false claim?

More games.

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What started this is your false claim.

Yet again, what started this was your attack mocking Skybird. You still keep avoiding that.

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No I made a post of sufficient length and detail to clarify all the points that were needed to refute the claim that the person had made, then chose to put in some ROFL, you chose to ignore the content of the bulk of the post and went off on one again.

Didn't stop you from returning to make exactly the same claim again did it.:yep:

Because open mockery of that type is not debate, but an attack. I chose to challenge you on it, because it is a long-running habit of yours.

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Stop contradicting yourself.
You either know or you don't know.
Since you already said you know I do post links you look very very untruthful to claim again that you don't know that I post links.

Stop playing games. You know very well that you have a long record of not posting links and not discussing the topic with people you choose to mock. That is still the problem you have here and you would rather argue about it than change.

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Never, ever, anywhere, always, all...Stick to your claim..
Or pay heed and avoid absolutes.
Plus I hate to remind you of course, but you said a single example would be sufficient for you to drop it

More games.

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I am afraid your own words have already hung you there.
And continue to hang you.

Still more games, still avoiding the real problem.

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Is that the one you said was an error on your part?:D

More twisting? More dodging?

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Yes. As your PM showed I had already given the sections before I posted the links and funnily enough I in the topic I gave him the page numbers of the book he said he had:yeah:

Link please?

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Yes I did indeed, many many times.:up:

Link please?

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Oh I was very mocking, but then again it was a widely mocked claim right from the outset as it was so ridiculous.

And that kind of mockery is why you have recieved more infractions than anyone else on this forum. Yet you still continue to do it.

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Yes, that was the point.
Well apart from the point that all of the links which supported his initial post were exact copies.

The point was that you addressed each of his points and discussed them? Or the point was that you made fun of him?
Can you show us a link so we can look at it ourselves?

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Originally Posted by Jeff-Groves (Post 2244408)

What if the voice in my head said it?
:haha:

LOL ........ (kill them all !!! ) :cool:

Is it a cause for worry if the voices in your head have subtitles?...

<O>

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Originally Posted by Tribesman (Post 2244682)

No, what started this is you once again repeating your falsehoods

I wouldn't have said anything if you hadn't done that.

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But my dear fellow you said one link would be sufficient to shut you up:yep:

No, I said

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A) Stop making fun of people you disagree with, and

B) If you make a claim against anyone or their arguments, back it up. It's the claimant's job to prove what they say, with links and arguments. That's the accepted etiquette and everyone else follows it without too much trouble.

That means every time. That means if you stop playing your usual game I will leave you alone. If not, every time you fail to debate properly you'll find me there, asking "Link please?"

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Yes taking quotes from peoples links if very mocking, I should refrain from reading "evidence" people supply and then repeating it.

The saying I repeatedly quoted to another poster in GT - "It's not what you say, it's how you say it" - is applicable here. Your mockery does not consist of quoting people's words, but in ridiculing them. That is never helpful.

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Now since a major proportion of those infractions have been delivered by someone who has proven themselves to be an habitual are they any measure.

There you go again, assuming deleting a word will keep you out of trouble. It's more of your same game.

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Face it, you make a request, I fully comply with your request, you throw a fit and still hand out infractions when I point out that your specific request has been fully complied with.

Can you show where that happened?

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It is why your requests now carry as much weight as your claims do.

Only in your own mind. My requests never carried any weight with you, nor have anyone else's. You seem to be convinced of your own rightness and will combat anyone who tries to get you to change.

Okay, here's the deal. I'm done with this game. Yes, I tried to get you to conform to proper etiquette in your dealings on this forum. If I went about it the wrong way, that's on me and I'm sorry. That said, if you continue your poor debate tactics I'll continue asking for proof. On the other hand if you continue attacking people as you do it's not me you have to worry about. Trying to straighten you out is no longer my problem. What comes next is on your head, not mine.

I'll leave this thread open for a few days so you can have the last word, and so anyone else who wants to can say their piece.

Here's a thought: If you are not sure if someone is telling the truth check it. It's not hard, takes a bit of googling

Look you two, kiss and make up or pistols at dawn you take your pick. :03:

I have not read this thread, but still get a headache from imagining that it went for 3 pages. :doh:

http://www11.pic-upload.de/20.09.14/lo2qybilth.jpg

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Originally Posted by Skybird (Post 2244784)

I have not read this thread, but still get a headache from imagining that it went for 3 pages. :doh:

http://www11.pic-upload.de/20.09.14/lo2qybilth.jpg

Ok here is the short version for you to catch up ......

post the links ....
you have a bad memory .....
post the links ......
you are a old person .......
post the links and prove you are right ......
you used the wrong phrase and you are silly and old ......
(Neal) just post the links .......
Oh look here is someone else to pick on

The thing that not only amazes me but to be quite frank I find incredulous is that a poster, ANY poster, is allowed or given grace when calling another poster a liar without having the book thrown at them.

Not once. But repeats it even having had a warning apparently. And is then politely told to edit their post after said warning.

Where is that darn book:stare: