A pre-emption of the direction this thread is likely to take when Rockstar and Tribesman are done with it. :03:

It does not in hindsight as it seems quite often.. so yes this could apply:
"It is always difficult to judge political decisions, when their attainability lies far in the future. This is why i think that any nation may never be judged by its goals and values it boasts about, but by the means it uses for its implementation."
Werner Heisenberg (1901 – 1976)


Yet i wonder how Mr Obama would act if faced with the same crisis though.
One things is passing judgment yet another one is dealing with issues at hand in time of crisis.

Every County or Regime as used torture...either now or in the past. Even religions have used it (possibly still). If the torture of one captured turd may save the lives of many decent human beings, then I am pro torture.

You have to decide for yourself, should bad be done for the greater good?

It depends on what you consider to be the greater good. I'm sure that there were people in 1943 Germany that thought the eradication of the Jewish people from Europe was in the interest of the greater good.

True TarJak , but as a personal opinion, not popular or state.....Would you torture a rat in order to find the main infestation?

Or would you sit back and debate until the rats overwhelm you?

Yes, but a long time ago countries agreed that torture is very bad and should not be used.

Thats the argument they used, they have now said it was bollox.

In this case its should bad be done for no actual purpose and no good?



Well bugger me Tarjak, that is one hell of a put down of the view given, I don't think that can be topped:up:

That is a bad way to go after what Tarjak wrote.
It has echos of "the eternal jew".
If I may provide the government spiel of the time...for the greater good of course
The Eternal Jew is the first film that not only gives a full picture of Jewry, but provides a broad treatment of the life and effects of this parasitic race using genuine material taken from real life. It also shows why healthy peoples in every age have responded to the Jews with disgust and loathing, often enough expressing their feelings though deeds.
Just like rats, the Jews 2000 years ago moved from the Middle East to Egypt, at that time a flourishing land. Even then they had all the criminal traits they display today, even then they were the enemies of hard-working, creative peoples.

And for what cause?
http://bytwerk.com/gpa/posters/dragon.jpg

Well the sarcastic image doesn't load. Forget it.

Yes we can trip with this till the cows come home.
So how moral it would be when having oportunity to save lives by torture… even with slim chance of success and not doing it.

No, because it can't tell me where the infestation is, whether I torture it or not.
As Tribes rightly pointed out torture does not provide effective intelligence. This is not just his or my opinion, it is also the published opinion of many intelligence agencies from across the world.

The end does not justify the means, despite Hollywood's portrayal of the subject.

Torture does does not provide reliable inteligence yet my question stands.

And was answered.

"No, because it can't tell me where the infestation is, whether I torture it or not".

How would you know. if you didn't torture the rat to find out...

So you would not take that chance of saving lives.. well ok.

And you would be happy to deliberately harm someone and still not same those same lives. I find that not OK.

When was the last time you spoke to a rattus rattus and got any meaningful reply?