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Onkel Neal 07-09-14 10:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Peter Cremer (Post 2223472)
How do these "kids" get all the way from Mexico's southern border to the northern border without being found by the Mexican authorities and stopped. It's easy, they are helped all the way by the Mexican authorities.

Think about this: When all these 50,000-100,000, or whatever, kids are made American citizens they will live here, grow up here, and when they are of a legal age they will import all there relatives to this country. Why else do you think their parents send them here?

The American tax payer is footing the bill for all this crap. Why doesn't the government demand payment for all that is being spent from the countries that are sending their trash here. If we are paying these countries billions each year for them to be our "friend", why don't we just deduct what it costs us to take care of their little invaders?

People from all over the world just walk into this country and we do nothing about it but talk.


Yep. Within 10 years the Hispanics will constitute the key voting block. Good luck keeping control of your country when people from another land just walk in and take over. :hmph: That's a cue for someone to wittily point out that's how the Anglo Americans took the land away from the Indians and Spanish/Mexicans to become America... and yeah, that's my point.

nikimcbee 07-09-14 11:03 PM

Here's the fix, take all those bus loads and drive to DC and dump them off at the white house, Pelosi's house, and the bamster's district in Chicago.

Jimbuna 07-10-14 05:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Neal Stevens (Post 2223534)
Yep. Within 10 years the Hispanics will constitute the key voting block. Good luck keeping control of your country when people from another land just walk in and take over. :hmph: That's a cue for someone to wittily point out that's how the Anglo Americans took the land away from the Indians and Spanish/Mexicans to become America... and yeah, that's my point.

Well you have certainly learned well from your English cousins :)

Oberon 07-10-14 06:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Neal Stevens (Post 2223534)
Yep. Within 10 years the Hispanics will constitute the key voting block. Good luck keeping control of your country when people from another land just walk in and take over. :hmph: That's a cue for someone to wittily point out that's how the Anglo Americans took the land away from the Indians and Spanish/Mexicans to become America... and yeah, that's my point.

Talk about long awaited vengeance...I have underestimated Mexicos long game... :doh:

Skybird 07-10-14 07:49 AM

United
Socialism of
America.

Thats what it is about, even if it sounds like cliché - it is no cliché, but socialist ideology. Delete historically grown identity and deny its existence, by that make rum to fill the void with socialist collectivism and the ideal new socialist man. The EU does exactly the same in Europe, by trying to delete regional differences more and more, habits and characteristics, and demanding that all regions shall run by the same rules, no matter whether said rules make sense in all regions. But the similarity between people on the Balkan and in the Baltic are not going much beyond phonetic similarities.

What is done in the US and the EU, compares to what Stalin did in the Soviet Union, and Tito in Yugoslavia: deleting ethnic and national characteristics of people, and replacing them with the monocultural homo sovieticus, or the Yugoslav uni-identity man.

See how they ended, learn from it. Conflict, hostility, war. Thats what happens when you force together what does not match, and deny people the right to live by their own identity feeling.

Admitted, that is more important for Europe than the Us, since the US is basing on a totally different historic path of origin, being founded not by ethnic and national identity, but migration in the first. Still, the US has since long started to copy EU ways of thinking, and has turned socialist to a degree one would not have imagined possible just some decades ago.

The destruction of the institution of "family" also plays a role here.

Oberon 07-10-14 08:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Skybird (Post 2223617)
Thats what happens when you force together what does not match, and deny people the right to live by their own identity feeling.

So immigrants cannot live by their own identity feeling, but residents can? When does an immigrant become a resident? What is an identity feeling?

Tribesman 07-10-14 08:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Skybird (Post 2223617)
United
Socialism of
America.

Thats what it is about, even if it sounds like cliché - it is no cliché, but socialist ideology. Delete historically grown identity and deny its existence, by that make rum to fill the void with socialist collectivism and the ideal new socialist man. The EU does exactly the same in Europe, by trying to delete regional differences more and more, habits and characteristics, and demanding that all regions shall run by the same rules, no matter whether said rules make sense in all regions. But the similarity between people on the Balkan and in the Baltic are not going much beyond phonetic similarities.

What is done in the US and the EU, compares to what Stalin did in the Soviet Union, and Tito in Yugoslavia: deleting ethnic and national characteristics of people, and replacing them with the monocultural homo sovieticus, or the Yugoslav uni-identity man.

See how they ended, learn from it. Conflict, hostility, war. Thats what happens when you force together what does not match, and deny people the right to live by their own identity feeling.

Admitted, that is more important for Europe than the Us, since the US is basing on a totally different historic path of origin, being founded not by ethnic and national identity, but migration in the first. Still, the US has since long started to copy EU ways of thinking, and has turned socialist to a degree one would not have imagined possible just some decades ago.

The destruction of the institution of "family" also plays a role here.

How far beyond the realms of sanity does one have to voyage to make a claim like that?
I do like that last bit though, so funny to read crap like that from someone who believes all that Rothbardian ideology nonsense where families don't matter and their children are just a commodity which should be sold at the market without a second thought.:doh:

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So immigrants cannot live by their own identity feeling, but residents can? When does an immigrant become a resident? What is an identity feeling?
No , he clearly means that any muslims in Germany shall live under their own caliphatery and have whatever sharia law they like as you cannot deny their right to live however they choose to identify:haha:

Who'da thunk he would be so accommodating eh?:smug:

Betonov 07-10-14 08:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Skybird (Post 2223617)

and Tito in Yugoslavia: deleting ethnic and national characteristics of people, and replacing them with the monocultural homo sovieticus, or the Yugoslav uni-identity man.

See how they ended, learn from it. Conflict, hostility, war. Thats what happens when you force together what does not match, and deny people the right to live by their own identity feeling.


The wars started AFTER some people went to reverse what Tito did.
And there were no wars when Tito was alive. Titos Yugoslav uni-identity man was a successefull war prevention project, unfortunately successefully reversed 10 years later by individuals with personal ambitions.

No-one went to war after 1991 because they were forced to live together.
They went to war because they were brainwashed AFTER Tito died.

How do I know ?? I live on the ashes of that country and I listen about the good times from Slovenes, Serbs, Bosnians, Croats and Macedonians, when no-one hated each other.

How do you know??

Onkel Neal 07-10-14 09:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Skybird (Post 2223617)
United
Socialism of
America.

Thats what it is about, even if it sounds like cliché - it is no cliché, but socialist ideology. Delete historically grown identity and deny its existence, by that make rum to fill the void with socialist collectivism and the ideal new socialist man. The EU does exactly the same in Europe, by trying to delete regional differences more and more, habits and characteristics, and demanding that all regions shall run by the same rules, no matter whether said rules make sense in all regions. But the similarity between people on the Balkan and in the Baltic are not going much beyond phonetic similarities.

What is done in the US and the EU, compares to what Stalin did in the Soviet Union, and Tito in Yugoslavia: deleting ethnic and national characteristics of people, and replacing them with the monocultural homo sovieticus, or the Yugoslav uni-identity man.

See how they ended, learn from it. Conflict, hostility, war. Thats what happens when you force together what does not match, and deny people the right to live by their own identity feeling.

Admitted, that is more important for Europe than the Us, since the US is basing on a totally different historic path of origin, being founded not by ethnic and national identity, but migration in the first. Still, the US has since long started to copy EU ways of thinking, and has turned socialist to a degree one would not have imagined possible just some decades ago.

The destruction of the institution of "family" also plays a role here.

:yeah: Wow, you've come a long way, my friend. There was a time years ago when I suspected you a Socialist.:03: I agree, the US is not really the US as it was on its path to its current/fading glory.

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Originally Posted by Oberon (Post 2223623)
So immigrants cannot live by their own identity feeling, but residents can? When does an immigrant become a resident? What is an identity feeling?

I'm not sure I understand your question, so my response may be totally wrong. Obviously, the culture and identity of a country is determined by its people. Since its founding, the US has been basically a Euro-derived people. As it stands, the US is quickly on its way to becoming a Hispanic nation. Is that bad? Is it good? Is it immaterial? Well, consider this: the people who are illegally entering the country are coming from countries where Hispanics are the majority, where they have their own government and culture, and they are leaving en masse. So, when the US becomes Mexico II, think it will be any better over the long term?

Skybird 07-10-14 10:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Neal Stevens (Post 2223636)
:yeah: Wow, you've come a long way, my friend. There was a time years ago when I suspected you a Socialist.:03: I agree, the US is not really the US as it was on its path to its current/fading glory.

I remember some opportunities you probably have on mind, and you are right - I have changed some views I once held up. Sometimes I take my time to do so. But when reality forces me to see that I got something wrong, then I do adapt for sure. I just hate to change my mind just to do somebody else a favour. :)

And believe it or not, a few answers of yours in long since gone discussion have had their impact on me for sure. It's just that they detonated with a delayed fuze. Your innocent naturalness by which you once asked me in a return argument why you should see it as your obligation to pay taxes for the demands of other people - that got me completely unprepared, and I never have forgotten it. Back then I somewhat snapped, or was disgusted (-> empört). Today - I cover you.

Yes, on some things I have done a very long intellectual journey. My attitude towards "state" and "social responsibility", and Islam being the two most obvious examples. It is not necessarily a bad thing, however: you have come to see things from both sides, and then know even better why in the end you refuse the one and accept the other.

A "socialist" by the meaning of the word however I have never been, not even in my teen years. ;) My teen years' folly was that I admired Reagan back then. No joke. Anothert thing I have dramatically changed... :)

STEED 07-10-14 10:10 AM

Inside Tory central campaign office...

Mr Cameron we can win the general election if we let in one million Mexican's

Cameron.."What can they offer?

Mexican chilli..

And on that note welcome to the UK and remember vote Tory.

:shifty:

Skybird 07-10-14 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by STEED (Post 2223647)
Inside Tory central campaign office...

Mr Cameron we can win the general election if we let in one million Mexican's

Cameron.."What can they offer?

Mexican chilli..

And on that note welcome to the UK and remember vote Tory.

:shifty:

Some years ago the German Green party's bosses back then said something comparable in public, during a convent I think, that they want to get in much more foreigners into germany because the numbers show that most in those years voted SPD and Green while both parties promised them to make it easier to bring in their families as well, and then mnore of their friends. It continued by stating that this would help to to form left political majorities and destroy the burgeoise fundament of society, so that their view for a leftist society could easier be implemented.

Wolferz 07-10-14 12:04 PM

The cure...
 
One world government, where everyone becomes a citizen of Earth with no national boundaries to cause this kind of BS.:hmmm:

I hope the ET's don't mind.

Oberon 07-10-14 12:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Neal Stevens (Post 2223636)
I'm not sure I understand your question, so my response may be totally wrong. Obviously, the culture and identity of a country is determined by its people. Since its founding, the US has been basically a Euro-derived people. As it stands, the US is quickly on its way to becoming a Hispanic nation. Is that bad? Is it good? Is it immaterial? Well, consider this: the people who are illegally entering the country are coming from countries where Hispanics are the majority, where they have their own government and culture, and they are leaving en masse. So, when the US becomes Mexico II, think it will be any better over the long term?

No, I think you got the gist of it.
Nations change over time because of the influx of immigrants, once upon a time England was a pagan nation, as was most of Europe, then Christian immigrants and missionaries spread out from the Middle East. Sometimes these immigrants arrive through conquest, the UK has gone through at least a dozen of these conquests in its early history. Even as recent as the aftermath of the destruction of the Spanish Armada we received Spanish immigrants, survivors of the Armada who integrated themselves into the South-east coast of the country. They changed and the people around them changed, mostly un-noticably in the grand swathe of time, but when it happened it must have seemed like an invasion to the people of Cornwall and Devon.
The US is changing, just as all nations have changed, Skybirds Germany didn't even exist until two hundred years ago, and since then it has changed in demographics dramatically over two centuries.
In a way, America has been lucky, its borders have remained relatively static since the civil war, Europe has not. Borders are written and rewritten on the whims of leaders, we have seen just under seventy years of relative peace in Europe, the longest since the end of the Roman Empire, but even then our borders have changed, and people have moved from one nation to another. My great-grandmother came from what was called 'Polish Russia' but is now Lithuania, my wifes great-grandparents were from Poland, and yet I am English. My entire country is made up of immigrants, as is yours, and the ethnicity of these immigrants has changed from century to century.
Sure, you have Hispanics coming in by the truckload, and they will settle, and they will bring their own language and their behaviour, and this will benefit and cause problems for Euro-Americans. I mean, how many Euro-Americans eat at Taco-Bell these days? Look at Tex-Mex food, a blending of American and Mexican food. With a more xenophobic outlook on Mexican immigrants it's likely this would never have occurred.

Sure, it's scary, especially when you're on the other end, you feel as though you're losing control of your country, of your way of life, and people will happily use that fear to create hatred against others, even to the extent of genocide and murder. However, change is inevitable, whether you perceive it to be good or bad is immaterial. You can fight it, if you wish, many have done, Native Americans, Anglo-Saxons, Incas, and perhaps you will succeed, others have done...but your nation will still change, it will still become a nation that you will not recognise, just as the nation you grew up in would be unrecognisable to the Founding Fathers.

Everything changes, nothing stays static, that is the nature of the world.

eddie 07-10-14 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by nikimcbee (Post 2223536)
Here's the fix, take all those bus loads and drive to DC and dump them off at the white house, Pelosi's house, and the bamster's district in Chicago.

Lets make sure we dump a bunch off at the leading Republican congressmen homes too, along with the high ranking Tea Party members. You know, who I'm talking about, the clowns on the right who just bitch about immigration, but don't do anything about it. Like "Boner" Boehner!, Canter, O'Connell, they just sound like Palin. Run their big mouths, but do absolutely nothing.


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