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Some guns are meant to kill animals, other guns are meant to kill people. But some guns are just meant to kill your wallet and serve no other purpose. Source: An avid sportsman, gun owner, and military veteran.

With the right ammo it's not as harmless as some are making it out to be.

:k_confused: Well jes' don't confuse yer white-tail deer rifle with yer .375 H&H Browning A-bolt moose gun

To me the thing about the entire caliber argument is simply put any round can kill you or very seriously injure you.Granted there is no "magic bullet" that kills no matter where it hits (that is reasonably man portable).

People say 9mm para this and .45 that 5.56mm this and .308 that. I say I'll pass on getting hit by any of them because they all very much have the potential to put me six feet under at worst and damaged for life at best if they happen to hit you in the right spot and any of the above mentioned can achieve that with a solid torso hit.


It all depends on the person anyone who has fought another man to the death hand to hand can tell you just how much damage the human body can take.I could tell you a story from Vietnam my father vs. a very hardy NVA solider but it might be a bit much for this forum.Suffice it to say that the Vietnamese took an entire magazine of M1911A1 rounds at very close range and still kept coming and it ended hand to hand.It is all relative and how strong ones adrenaline is has a factor as well some will go on from a fatal hit that would put others down in seconds just like deer some can have the heart and lungs gone and keep going for a surprising distance not mention hogs.

You're absolutely correct. You only die when your mind believes its dead. It's all in your head.

If it were only that simple.

Location, location, location. :O:

Oh but it is that simple. I know, I've seen it happen on the battlefield. I've seen people blown in half that keep firing and crawl around. Not one of my fondest memories I must say...

Depends unless you get a few spots instant death is not assured and those spots can be very hard to hit in a combat shooting situation.One victim of Richard Ramirez got shot in the base of the brain while he was asleep no less.Yet he still managed to jump and chase Ramirez out of his house which saved his wife's life.Of curse he died but he still managed to be a threat for 20 or 30 seconds long enough to scare Ramirez away.

Accuracy is important this is true because hitting is better than missing but to expect x amount of rounds to do the trick is a bad idea.Of course your :O: makes me think that you do not have complete faith relying in the single perfect shot.

If the medulla oblongata where to be severed the primitive brain would instantly shut down and the subconscious mind would also be shut down before any signal could be received.Therefore the mind would have no way to "know" that it's body was dead yet it still instantly stops.

What you saw was a combination of adrenaline and shock.

Alot of people trash talk the 410............ maybe those lacking the skill to use one properly. :up:

You're not referring to this model posted in the thread are you? :haha:

Cheers matey.

I once sold a Bauer .25 Auto to a friend of mine. In case nobody is familiar, a Bauer 25 is a pocket gun similar in design to a baby Browning belly gun. He laughed when I showed him this thing (after all, it fit in the palm of my hand). He asked what he was going to do with that thing, and if it would even work. I asked him if he would like to be shot in the eye with it to see if it worked. He just said "Uh no" and with that answered his own question. He bought the gun to say the least :har:

It's not about caliber or stopping power necessarily. It's about shot placement for the caliber you're using. Know that you've got a light caliber, and use it accordingly. Know that you won't be able to do with it what you could do with say a .45, but don't ever underestimate its capabilities. That Bauer 25 sent a lot of mobsters to early graves back in the day. It was the hitman's weapon of choice.

It's the man that makes the weapon, not the other way around