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I think if it came to a vote of the world's nations the UK would lose hands down - but I still think it's right we're there as we have been for hundreds of years. |
Gibraltar was captured by an Anglo-Dutch force in 1704 then ceded to Britain "in perpetuity" in 1713....300 years ago.
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That's right, hundreds of years.
I can't believe that Illustrious has deployed on this exercise. Still, all those Whitehall pen pushers could launch paper aeroplanes from it. The Spanish must be bricking it. |
I've heard we are even bring the sole surviving Vulcan back into service, just in case Argentina does support the claim :o
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Wasn't HK only on a 99 year lease?
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Territory under the first and second conventions was in perpetuity. New territories under the third convention were on the 99 year deal. |
Thanks for clarifying :salute:
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No worries, there are other examples but Hong Kong is always handy example against the two most common arguments put forward on overseas territories.
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My thoughts are with the unfortunate people of Gibraltar just now.
Stuck between a rock and a hard-up place. |
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It's a lovely place, I remember being woken from my drunken slumber on a bench by a Gibraltarian in a British bobby's outfit. Apparently it's not allowed there. I won't say what happened shortly after, it's a diplomatic low point in my life, but I got a lift back to my accomodation. :D |
First ship I joined was at Gibraltar and it was only on landing I realised they lowered the railway crossing-like barriers because the road cut across the runway.
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It only closes a few times a day now, mostly for civvy flights, I'd love to have been there when it was militarily busier.
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I'm going back to 77, we were a civvie flight inbound from Luton Airport but it was late evening so I never got to see anything, besides...we left the port about 2 or 3 am iirc.
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I was there 2 months ago, beautiful place, don't miss it.
I don't think the Spanish would succeed in their claim, after all, Gibraltar was "Spanish" for a shorter period of time than it was British. The Brits have controlled Gibraltar for 300 + years and counting. The Spanish have controlled it for only 242 years. |
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