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Herr-Berbunch 08-12-13 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by BossMark (Post 2098987)
Just my bloody luck booked to go to Majorca in about 4 weeks time and our bloody lousy government as to go and pick a fight with Spain :/\\!!

You'll be perfectly fine, just about all the locals rely on tourist's cash in some way, and your far enough away from the mainland for it to seem unrealistic. :yeah:

I think if it came to a vote of the world's nations the UK would lose hands down - but I still think it's right we're there as we have been for hundreds of years.

Jimbuna 08-12-13 11:02 AM

Gibraltar was captured by an Anglo-Dutch force in 1704 then ceded to Britain "in perpetuity" in 1713....300 years ago.

Herr-Berbunch 08-12-13 11:52 AM

That's right, hundreds of years.

I can't believe that Illustrious has deployed on this exercise. Still, all those Whitehall pen pushers could launch paper aeroplanes from it.

The Spanish must be bricking it.

Jimbuna 08-12-13 11:55 AM

I've heard we are even bring the sole surviving Vulcan back into service, just in case Argentina does support the claim :o

Tribesman 08-12-13 12:14 PM

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Can you believe this?
What ? Cameron deciding that he likes the European courts now.

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Gibraltar was captured by an Anglo-Dutch force in 1704 then ceded to Britain "in perpetuity" in 1713....300 years ago.
In perpetuity? you mean like hong kong was.

Herr-Berbunch 08-12-13 12:46 PM

Wasn't HK only on a 99 year lease?

Tribesman 08-12-13 12:52 PM

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Wasn't HK only on a 99 year lease?
No.
Territory under the first and second conventions was in perpetuity.
New territories under the third convention were on the 99 year deal.

Herr-Berbunch 08-12-13 12:54 PM

Thanks for clarifying :salute:

Tribesman 08-12-13 01:17 PM

No worries, there are other examples but Hong Kong is always handy example against the two most common arguments put forward on overseas territories.

BossMark 08-13-13 08:13 AM

My thoughts are with the unfortunate people of Gibraltar just now.

Stuck between a rock and a hard-up place.

Herr-Berbunch 08-13-13 08:50 AM

^ :har:

It's a lovely place, I remember being woken from my drunken slumber on a bench by a Gibraltarian in a British bobby's outfit. Apparently it's not allowed there.

I won't say what happened shortly after, it's a diplomatic low point in my life, but I got a lift back to my accomodation. :D

Jimbuna 08-13-13 09:14 AM

First ship I joined was at Gibraltar and it was only on landing I realised they lowered the railway crossing-like barriers because the road cut across the runway.

Herr-Berbunch 08-13-13 09:16 AM

It only closes a few times a day now, mostly for civvy flights, I'd love to have been there when it was militarily busier.

Jimbuna 08-13-13 09:33 AM

I'm going back to 77, we were a civvie flight inbound from Luton Airport but it was late evening so I never got to see anything, besides...we left the port about 2 or 3 am iirc.

the_tyrant 08-13-13 11:24 AM

I was there 2 months ago, beautiful place, don't miss it.

I don't think the Spanish would succeed in their claim, after all, Gibraltar was "Spanish" for a shorter period of time than it was British. The Brits have controlled Gibraltar for 300 + years and counting. The Spanish have controlled it for only 242 years.


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