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OT a bit, @August:

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... about erosion of personal liberty

?

Erosion ? Everyone is suspicious in the eyes of America.
You have no personal liberty anymore. Manning and Snowden have just uncovered it all.

'XKeyscore' is the real deal. Sorry in german only (though i doubt you will find such an article in the US)
http://www.spiegel.de/netzwelt/netzp...-a-914187.html

Cheers indeed,
Catfish

As far as I am concerned, anyone with bad body odour (BO) in a supermarket should not be tolerated. They stink and need removing from a public place. :nope:

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Originally Posted by Spiced_Rum (Post 2093532)

As far as I am concerned, anyone with bad body odour (BO) in a supermarket should not be tolerated. They stink and need removing from a public place. :nope:

I feel the same way. Unfortunately though from everything I read the public is the least smelly of all time. I think the only saving grace is there was too much coal and tobacco smoke to notice it. :)

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Originally Posted by AndyJWest (Post 2093199)

'Social fascism'? You are comparing a dispute between a tenant and a landlord with the rise of the Nazi party?

Skybird, you really are an obnoxious piece of work.

Did you know that it was the Nazis who introduced anti-smoking legislation first?

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Originally Posted by the_tyrant (Post 2093562)

Did you know that it was the Nazis who introduced anti-smoking legislation first?

Finally! I applaud you. :salute:You are the first having taken note of this little ironic implication that I inidrectly hinted at and which maybe was a bit too subtle this time (or that got missed because I also used the term before, in other contexts).

The Nazis campaigned strongly against smoking, and the German medical research on the negative effects of smoking was the most modern and enlightened of it'S time, the data collected was superior to other states' projects on examining health implications from tobacco - if they even ran such projects. Smoking was prohibited by law in certain public places and public transport.

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Originally Posted by Skybird (Post 2093564)

Never let the facts get in the way of good propaganda:

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....in 1840, the Prussian authorities re-instated a ban on smoking in public places. Thus, state restrictions on tobacco long predated the Nazi era

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2441844/

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Originally Posted by Catfish (Post 2093461)

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'XKeyscore' is the real deal. Sorry in german only (though i doubt you will find such an article in the US)
http://www.spiegel.de/netzwelt/netzp...-a-914187.html

Cheers indeed,
Catfish

You didn't look very hard, just googling 'XKeyscore' gives me this on the second sentence:

http://www.newyorker.com/online/blog...ll-hiding.html

And on the next page there is:

http://www.nbcnews.com/technology/ho...rks-6C10812168

http://www.slate.com/blogs/future_te...ous_stuff.html

And then if you combine the relevant words you can also find:

http://money.cnn.com/news/newsfeeds/...ents_show.html

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/07/31/nsa-program-reportedly-allows-analysts-to-track-emails-chats-web-searches/?test=latestnews

Der Spiegel isn't the only news-source in the world, nor in Germany, although you'd be hard put to believe it... :hmmm:

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Originally Posted by August (Post 2093387)

A big part of the problem is also how humans are being shoehorned into increasingly tight quarters with each other. I have a lot less tolerance for somebodies personal habits the closer I am to them.

:agree:
“I have found out that there ain't no surer way to find out whether you like people or hate them than to travel with them.” Mark Twain, Tom Sawyer Abroad. I've found that to be so true.

I assume that I will be informed when the time comes to rip my hair out and cry hysterically.

Some years ago, there was an article in the Taz, about the most common complaints folks have about their neighbors. To my surprise the second biggest complaint next to noise was smell - about 40% of all interviewees were ticked off about this. :o
So with this in mind, it is very, very, very sensational and astonishing that German courts deal with this stuff. :88)

Btw the article is not 100% correct. Smoking is banned on a federal level onlay inside all federal buildings and further as part of labor-protection laws at the workplace. Each state has its own smoking laws - sadly most banned smoking in bars. However there is nothing as a smoking ban in public places - for example parks or streets are also public space, it is still legal in every German state to have a smoke there.

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Originally Posted by AndyJWest (Post 2093580)

Never let the facts get in the way of good propaganda:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2441844/

Glad there are still people out there who read sources which cover pre-1933 history - or who inform themselves at all! :Kaleun_Applaud:

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Originally Posted by Takeda Shingen (Post 2093610)

I assume that I will be informed when the time comes to rip my hair out and cry hysterically.

Hey Tak, nice to see that you're posting on here again! :up:
You have no time to rip out your hair, because the socialist-feminist-muslim-green-fascists will shave you, before its time to take a smoke-free shower. :arrgh!:

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Originally Posted by Takeda Shingen (Post 2093610)

I assume that I will be informed when the time comes to rip my hair out and cry hysterically.

You mean you've been told to stop?! :o

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-to...n_Nazi_Germany

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fter German doctors became the first to identify the link between smoking and lung cancer,[1] Nazi Germany initiated a strong anti-tobacco movement[2] and led the first public anti-smoking campaign in modern history.[3] Anti-tobacco movements grew in many nations from the beginning of the 20th century,[4][5] but these had little success, except in Germany, where the campaign was supported by the government after the Nazis came to power.[4] It was the most powerful anti-smoking movement in the world during the 1930s and early 1940s.[6] The National Socialist leadership condemned smoking[7] and several of them openly criticized tobacco consumption.[6] Research on smoking and its effects on health thrived under Nazi rule[8] and was the most important of its type at that time.[9] Adolf Hitler's personal distaste for tobacco[10] and the Nazi reproductive policies were among the motivating factors behind their campaign against smoking, and this campaign was associated with both antisemitism and racism.[11]

The Nazi anti-tobacco campaign included banning smoking in trams, buses and city trains,[6] promoting health education,[12] limiting cigarette rations in the Wehrmacht, organizing medical lectures for soldiers, and raising the tobacco tax.[6] The National Socialists also imposed restrictions on tobacco advertising and smoking in public spaces, and regulated restaurants and coffeehouses.[6] The anti-tobacco movement did not have much effect in the early years of the Nazi regime and tobacco use increased between 1933 and 1939,[13] but smoking by military personnel declined from 1939 to 1945.[14] Even by the end of the 20th century, the anti-smoking movement in postwar Germany had not attained the influence of the Nazi anti-smoking campaign.[13] The use of Nazi and health fascism rhetoric can be regarded as part of an institutionalised practice of the tobacco industry and its front groups to discredit tobacco control activities and prevent the introduction of effective policies