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The vast majority in Syria (said to be minimum 85%) wants a sharia-based regime and a fundamentalist state order.

Well, how long does it take anyone to work out that the statement is bull?

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Originally Posted by JU_88 (Post 2047164)

"Will Obama stick to his word...."

lol, going by his track record, and that of every president and politician across the globe...... er, probably not. :O:

I'd say that's a good even money bet :yep:

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Originally Posted by Tribesman (Post 2047681)

Well, how long does it take anyone to work out that the statement is bull?

I can't say if it's 85 % that wants sharia in Syria

I can say that, according to a danish journalist to the middle east Steffen Jensen saying to us viewer a few month ago that it's almost 95 % sure that Syria will become a sharia state after Assad have been put aside.

a few days later I saw BBC World and one of their journalist said almost the same.

Maybe your knowledge about the Middle east and specially Syria is better than those two journalist.

Markus

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Originally Posted by Skybird (Post 2047116)

The evidence for chemicals being used by the Assad regime, is mounting. First the Israelis rang the alarm bell, then the US' Chuck Hagel, now the British become loud about it, too.

Obama had once set a red line of which he said if it get trespassed it would mean the engagement of the US military. The red line he has drawn back then was chemical weapons being used.

I am strictly against any modern weapons being delivered to the Syrian opposition, I am also against fincial funding of them. And even more I am against any military engagement by Western or Russian forces in that country.

However the valid question has risen now whether Obama has just given a worthless piece of sound when making his statements, or whether he will stick to what he said and will authorize the threatened consequences and get US military
forces involved now.

Israel will have a close look on what he does, or does not. Because he has promised to stand by Israel when Iran is too close to getting the bomb. If
Obama now does not drew consequences from the triggering of Syrian condition that he has set up, then the Israelis will have little trust in assuming that when Iran trespasses Obama's line, Obama then will stand by his announcement to
play the military card together with Israel (which by then will be too late anyway, I claim with being 95% certain on that).

P.S. IMO, Obama should have never made that announcement that now is haunting him. It is a lose-lose situation. Either he is the president whose word is
worth nothing (and that will be recognised by Israel and other allies in Asia), or he is the president having started another US military operation in support of Islamic fundamentalists and despite a hopeless financial situation of the nation.
This is the outcome when hope is being made the only basis of decision-making, instead of cold-blooded reason.

so what are you saying, it was "criminal" for the US to intervene in Iraq, but now you want the US to intervene in Syria...:haha:

why does'nt Germany do something for a change.

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Originally Posted by Bilge_Rat (Post 2047824)

so what are you saying, it was "criminal" for the US to intervene in Iraq,

Iraq and Syria are two totally difefrent stories with totally different starting stories leading there, which seems to have escaped your attention so far.

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but now you want the US to intervene in Syria...:haha:

If I may quote myself from #1:

I am strictly against any modern weapons being delivered to the Syrian opposition, I am also against financial funding of them. And even more I am against any military engagement by Western or Russian forces in that country.

and post #6

He either will go to war - or he will necessarily allow to see how other opponents are exploiting the gap and widening the breach at probably even higher longterm strategic costs to the US.

and post #12

We cannot have any desire to assist in creating these circumstances.

Now please explain to us how you come to your claim that I demand the US to go to war over Syria when in reality I have repeatedly said differently, and exactly the opposite.

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why does'nt Germany do something for a change.

Acting first, thinking second, like you just typed before thinking in the above, you mean?

Or like Bush has done in 2003 - first launching a war, then thinking about the consequences and still refusing advice from his own experts on location? Or France and Britain in Libya, where now the public mood is strictly oriented for a fundamentalist regime based on Sharia? Or America demanding "freedom" in Egypt - and freedom being used to install the dominance of the MB and a new constitution basing on Sharia, both of which aiming to prevent freedom?

I think Germany is better off to leave such stupid acting to nations thinking they want to behave like that. We have other ways to behave silly. And they cost us at least as much money, if not more.

Oh my god have we not had enough of this sort of topic? Is it truly the fate of the members to be subjected to countless threads of circular argument? Everybody knows where everybody else stands on things by now. Enough already!

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Perhaps you can ask those journalists what the legal system is in Syria and how many decades they have had it.
Perhaps you can also ask them what sharia is.

Then maybe work on the second part of the line which I quoted to see how that claim simply does not add up either.

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Originally Posted by Bilge_Rat (Post 2047824)

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why does'nt Germany do something for a change.

Yes after WW2 there is a Passus in the german Basic law saing that

" ... no war shall ever be started without Germany anymore."

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or something along those lines :O:

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Originally Posted by Catfish (Post 2047878)

Yes after WW2 there is a Passus in the german Basic law saing that

" ... no war shall ever be started without Germany anymore."

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or something along those lines :O:

I assume you mean 'with' or possibly 'by' Germany. "No war shall ever be started without Germany" would imply the opposite of what I think you are trying to say.

No i wrote what i meant, which is why i said 'or something along those lines", and put this smiley to the end.

It seems i really have to explain every ironic comment here .. :dead:

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Originally Posted by Catfish (Post 2047887)

No i wrote what i meant, which is why i said 'or something along those lines", and put this smiley to the end.

It seems i really have to explain every ironic comment here .. :dead:

Oh, my apologies. I thought we were dealing with a language barrier thing here and I was trying to be helpful. That was probably where I went wrong.

Somebody is just looking for an excuse to...

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Originally Posted by Catfish (Post 2047329)

Wow the Israelis rang the alarm bell. Now while i 'respect' the Mossad (if this is the right word for any security service) for its military intelligence i really think they might have a tiny small almost invisible reason or better agenda, for such alarms.
Then Chuck Hagel and 'the British' - i take it if anyone really had evidence it would be the Mossad, all else is just propaganda.

Why don't 'the British', the USA, edit: Russia's and Germany's politicians just check their delivery bills, that way they will know exactly how much and which chemical weapons Assad has.
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World is mysterious place to you isn't it?

^ You did not get the 'bills' thing, did you ?

It is not mysterious at all, just thinking about who profits most of a situation usually sets you on the right way to find the cause.
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Originally Posted by Takeda Shingen (Post 2047889)

Oh, my apologies. I thought we were dealing with a language barrier thing here and I was trying to be helpful. That was probably where I went wrong.

Well sorry then, thanks for trying to help - i might need it in some cases
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