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Originally Posted by mapuc (Post 2049475)

one of the best fotball team in Germany right now.

I'm no explicit fan of Munich, but what you mean by "one of the best football teams in Germany"? It is the best currently. This season they have vaporised practically every league record. They have vaporised their opponents. They won many matches by extremely high scores. Nobody ever became champion that early in season, and by such a huge lead in goals and points. Economically, they are a superpower, they have managed their business extremely competent and thus must not ever talk about money. They want this or that player - they buy him if he is available. Done.

Dortmund is a very good second, though, what Munich has in single player power, Dortmund has in fighting spirit expressed in the collective effort. But the Bavarians dominated them in both league meetings this year.

I'm not happy with Guardiola going to Munich. They should have kept Heynckes, obviously he knows what to best make of the player material he has. Guardiola cannot become more successful than Heynckes in managing the team, and since he does things very differently, there is a chance that in fact he will mess things up, and if not messing them up at least weakening the team. And for the audience, Guardiola's playing philosophy is not that attractive, too. On the other hand, Munich's strategy always has been to weaken the opposition by buying players that they did not need, but that would have boosted competing Bundesliga clubs. Maybe they only took Guardiola to prevent somebody else getting him.

I think Munich will go to the finals tonight. And there I estimate a meager 55:45 chance that they will beat Dortmund again, because the BVB players may want to settle the score of this season and thus will try to go beyond their limits.

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Originally Posted by Skybird (Post 2049639)

I'm not happy with Guardiola going to Munich. They should have kept Heynckes, obviously he knows what to best make of the player material he has. Guardiola cannot become more successful than Heynckes in managing the team, and since he does things very differently, there is a chance that in fact he will mess things up, and if not messing them up at least weakening the team. And for the audience, Guardiola's playing philosophy is not that attractive, too. On the other hand, Munich's strategy always has been to weaken the opposition by buying players that they did not need, but that would have boosted competing Bundesliga clubs. Maybe they only took Guardiola to prevent somebody else getting him.

If Guardiola achieves just half as much as he did with his previous club he'll dwarf anything Heynckes can or has achieved.

As long as he can adapt to the Bundesliga way of play I believe it is highly probable he will be a success.

meh, Bayern vs Dortmund is like Pest gegen Cholera. :shifty:
The only thing which satisfies me, is that kicking out 2 Spanish teams is a nice revenge for the World Cup 2010. :arrgh!:

3:0, 7:0 in total. :o That is a humiliation.

Now the Germans will show the English how to really play football - on land, in the air, and on the seas and oceans. :D

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Originally Posted by Jimbuna (Post 2049678)

If Guardiola achieves just half as much as he did with his previous club he'll dwarf anything Heynckes can or has achieved.

I think you either overestimate Guardiola or underestimate Heynckes - Heynkes is in champions league final for the third year in a row!

Well, Heynckes has coached Bilbao, Madrid, Lissabon, twice Munich, and a couple of German 1st league clubs, won the champions league with Madrid, led Munich into the third finals in a row now. He won three national championships as trainer. As player he became world champion, European champion, UEFA Cup champion, national cup winner and four times national champion, two seasons league'S top scorer. Munich this year is national champion, and the triple (adding champions league and national cup to the collection) is still possible. And is a solid record already. But my argument is that he has so far brought the maximum possible to shine in the team as it is now. And the Bavarians have pulverized 13 league records this season and currently are probably the best team in Europe. Guardiola can only keep that level, but he cannot improve it. But he runs the risk of ruining it if he tries experimental playing styles that do not suit Munich. And when Guardiola quit in Spain, European press said that quite some Spaniards were happy to see him go, for his team played effective, but so desinteresting. That Munich would have kept Heynckes if Guardiola would not have showed up, also says something (and behind the stage curtain, Heynckes and the officials had quite a collision over him getting fired - he did not quit voluntarily).

It is strange. The club played the strongest season of a German club ever, and probably also the most successful at the end - and the trainer gets fired. While Barcelona and Madrid are rumoured to get Heynckes. :doh: I think at least it simply is bad style what Munich did with Heynckes, and a humane disappointment. Heynckes is a top man in his business.

A German final. In England. In Wembley. And the Englishmen must watch. I just cannot get over this. :D

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Originally Posted by Skybird (Post 2049882)

3:0, 7:0 in total. :o That is a humiliation.

Now the Germans will show the English how to really play football - on land, in the air, and on the seas and oceans. :D

I think you either overestimate Guardiola or underestimate Heynckes - Heynkes is in champions league final for the third year in a row!

Well, Heynckes has coached Bilbao, Madrid, Lissabon, twice Munich, and a couple of German 1st league clubs, won the champions league with Madrid, led Munich into the third finals in a row now. He won three national championships as trainer. As player he became world champion, European champion, UEFA Cup champion, national cup winner and four times national champion, two seasons league'S top scorer. Munich this year is national champion, and the triple (adding champions league and national cup to the collection) is still possible. And is a solid record already. But my argument is that he has so far brought the maximum possible to shine in the team as it is now. And the Bavarians have pulverized 13 league records this season and currently are probably the best team in Europe. Guardiola can only keep that level, but he cannot improve it. But he runs the risk of ruining it if he tries experimental playing styles that do not suit Munich. And when Guardiola quit in Spain, European press said that quite some Spaniards were happy to see him go, for his team played effective, but so desinteresting. That Munich would have kept Heynckes if Guardiola would not have showed up, also says something (and behind the stage curtain, Heynckes and the officials had quite a collision over him getting fired - he did not quit voluntarily).

It is strange. The club played the strongest season of a German club ever, and probably also the most successful at the end - and the trainer gets fired. While Barcelona and Madrid are rumoured to get Heynckes. :doh: I think at least it simply is bad style what Munich did with Heynckes, and a humane disappointment. Heynckes is a top man in his business.

A German final. In England. In Wembley. And the Englishmen must watch. I just cannot get over this. :D

Only time will tell if the club have made the right decision and as for "And the Englishmen must watch"....there will be a squadron of Spitfires on CAP to ensure you don't go for a third attempt :O:

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Originally Posted by Jimbuna (Post 2049903)

Only time will tell if the club have made the right decision and as for "And the Englishmen must watch"....there will be a squadron of Spitfires on CAP to ensure you don't go for a third attempt :O:

I guess these will be the only Spitfires near the stadium:
http://foto.arcor-online.net/palb/al...6139393739.jpg

:D

Well if I had my way....yes :)

So the Germans Finally get their wish..................

Let em all in Wembley then lock the gates and whip over to there place and drink all the beer :)

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Originally Posted by mapuc (Post 2049475)

one of the best fotball team in Germany right now.

Not just in Germany but in Europe.

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one of the best fotball team in Germany right now.
Not just in Germany but in Europe.

Yea, true that. "Prussia" Dortmund from Westphalia will beat the nancies from Bavaria.
Drop your leather pants.:arrgh!:

May the best team win

I've got an alternative venue if it rains

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-y...0-%2525201.jpg:O:

Best of luck to both teams.

Heard a rumour tickets aren't selling very well and UEFA are currently in detailed negotiations with 'Rentacrowd Ltd' :hmmm:

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Originally Posted by Dan D (Post 2051493)

Yea, true that. "Prussia" Dortmund from Westphalia will beat the nancies from Bavaria.

Like the 1:1 victory against Bayern last Saturday? :O:

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Originally Posted by Jimbuna (Post 2051622)

Heard a rumour tickets aren't selling very well and UEFA are currently in detailed negotiations with 'Rentacrowd Ltd' :hmmm:

Well, at least Podolski will probably visit.