These mass school shootings really started in the 1990's, that may be a point to look at. If one compares the history of school shooting back to the 1700's, we can see we're in different times. What changed?http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of..._United_States


The rise of the internet age.

A violent entertainment industry, no clear line between the good guy and the bad guy.

Youth being placed on mind altering prescibed meds increased several thousand percent.

Possibly lack of belief, although I don't want God in school, seems this left a moral vacuum. I know growing up, we always felt an eye in the sky was watching us.

Youth with an entitled mindset, everyone gets an award, no one gets picked on.....If I don't get what I want, I can blame others.

The generation that taught parents to become friends with their children instead of parents.


Anyway, somehow we've created the perfect storm and it will continue, it's the in thing today to get back at the world. No amount of gun control is gonna resolve it, it's all about protecting our kids in every way possible. Imagine the debate when a kid shoots up a school with a fully auto illegal weapon smuggled across the Mexican border...will the Dems want to close the border down, I doubt it. The fact is they want to attack legal weapons because the gun lobby supports the GOP.

It's not just guns. Mass killings of random innocent people, of which school shootings are one horrible facet, started in this country back in 1927 in the Bath School Massacre, still the deadliest mass murder in a school in US History.

BTW in 1927 you could buy a full auto Thompson Submachine gun as well as 100 round drum magazines with no government regulation involved at all. The killer chose to use explosives instead.

Nah... people have been killing each other since the dawn of time it is nothing new sadly.I think in general the level violence in this world is about the same as it has always been.

What is different in modern times is mass media and their desire to make money the way they make money is by attracting viewers the best way to attract viewers is by talking as much about what people fear the most which is why you see so much about this disease or that one or why you hear about this evil nation or that one.

The other thing that mass media knows is that many people are vicarious and they like to see and hear about nasty things from the safety of their living room.Combine these together and you have a news network and a lot of money.

You know another thing that has changed is privacy while traveling.

Back in the day taking the train trolly or bus, riding in an open carriage, even stopping for gas where a bunch of attendants would swarm over the vehicle, when one traveled it was almost always under the scrutiny of many eyes.

Nowadays we are in near perfect privacy from our garages to our destination. That makes it much easier for these killers to get geared up to commit maximum damage. Imagine the Newtown killer having to ride the trolly to get to that school. It'd be pretty difficult to hide all that ordinance for very long or carry much ammo for what he weapons he could conceal.

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Hence the term 'the good old days'.

They had their problems too and many of them society has addressed to some degree but something was also lost along the way I think.

Oh yea, lets make another gun control thread. Sure why not. Hell i haven't done anything but talk gun control for the last month and a half. So what's one more thread, on one more forum.

So the same tired anti argument, get's the same tired rebuttle about those crime stats.


The reason I posted my own experiences in this matter, was to illustrate that times are not as bad as they used to be. Things have actually improved. In my experience, the problem wasn't guns, the problem was gangs, which can be furthered filtered down to social and economic problems. And in terms of social and economical problems, treating the symptoms of the problem won't fix the problem, you have to go after the cause.

Posting the same video by the same muppet with the same mistakes again.:88)
Unless america counts "shouting at someone" as a violent crime then he cannot compare the England/Wales statistics with American ones to make a point on levels of recorded violent crime.

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Good one Tribesman!

Just think of it Warhawk.
Everyone knows schools are just a liberal conspiracy with unionised teachers braiwashing kids into socalifornianism.
Kill two birds with one stone.
Have home skool where mom can be kept domesticated while teaching the younguns in the safety of the prepper skool bunker.
Meanwhile dad can stand out in the yard with his Bushmaster yelling moron lube at passing cars just to ensure the family is safe.

This sounds like a movie. I'm not a fan of home schooling. I believe the kids miss out on social interaction with others their age. Good, bad or indifferent, my friends growing up had an influence on me. Prepper School bunker :haha:. I guess there is a 20 year supply of #2 pencils. :haha:

As far as a possible answer, I believe the gun owner should be responsible. In other words, your kid gets a hold of your weapon(not properly locked up) and kills people, you as the owner of the weapon, are responsible. It is similar to being responsible for any underage drinking on the premises of the owner. I have read of instances of DWI by a minor who was drinking at someone's home. As a result of the drinking a car is crashed. People killed, etc. Is there a difference between a hand held weapon or a 5 ton weapon on wheels?