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Jimbuna 12-16-12 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Armistead (Post 1976807)
These nuts do this for attention. They claimed they were coming here once to picket killed vets, but when they found out the Hell's Angels were coming in mass to deal with them, they stayed home.

My guess is they show up there, they'll find themselves getting railroaded out of town.

'ATTENTION' being the operative word :yep:

u crank 12-16-12 04:35 PM

Yeah, I know about the gay veterans and the people who died from AIDS. But children? Murdered children?

I tell ya if I was a family member of one of those children and these people showed up......

Anyway, I read the article but I still don't get why.

Jimbuna 12-16-12 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by u crank (Post 1976815)
Yeah, I know about the gay veterans and the people who died from AIDS. But children? Murdered children?

I tell ya if I was a family member of one of those children and these people showed up......

Anyway, I read the article but I still don't get why.

Me neither :nope:

Sailor Steve 12-16-12 04:38 PM

I completely agree that these folks should be prevented from activities like this. While I fully support freedom of speech, parents and friends also have the right to grieve in private, not being bothered by idiots.

Sorry to run off the rails, but I think this deserves answering:
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Originally Posted by Cybermat47 (Post 1976743)
The thing that upsets me the most, however, is that Armistead pointed out to me that early Christians had no concept of hell, so these creeps won't be getting what they deserve when they finally kick the bucket.

What a strange thing to say. First, how do you know those early Christians were right? Was Armistead referring to all Christians of that time, or only a certain group? Do you base all your beliefs on something someone told you?

My point is not to disagree with Armistead, but with your interpretation of what you think he said. Just because someone two thousand years ago didn't believe it, how do you know there is no hell? How do you know that these people won't end up there? You say that what upsets you most is something you have no way of knowing about, based on what someone who died centuries ago may or may not have believed.

Better to just stick to despising these jerks in the here and now. What happens to anyone in the next life (if there even is one) is a matter of pure speculation, and not worth getting upset over.

Jimbuna 12-16-12 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Sailor Steve (Post 1976819)
I completely agree that these folks should be prevented from activities like this. While I fully support freedom of speech, parents and friends also have the right to grieve in private, not being bothered by idiots.

Sorry to run off the rails, but I think this deserves answering:

What a strange thing to say. First, how do you know those early Christians were right? Was Armistead referring to all Christians of that time, or only a certain group? Do you base all your beliefs on something someone told you?

My point is not to disagree with Armistead, but with your interpretation of what you think he said. Just because someone two thousand years ago didn't believe it, how do you know there is no hell? How do you know that these people won't end up there? You say that what upsets you most is something you have no way of knowing about, based on what someone who died centuries ago may or may not have believed.

Better to just stick to despising these jerks in the here and now. What happens to anyone in the next life (if there even is one) is a matter of pure speculation, and not worth getting upset over.


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Cybermat47 12-16-12 04:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Sailor Steve (Post 1976819)
Better to just stick to despising these jerks in the here and now. What happens to anyone in the next life (if there even is one) is a matter of pure speculation, and not worth getting upset over.

Good point. Although, in a weeks time, Westboro Baptist Church will probably be Westboro Rubble Pile :D

Takeda Shingen 12-16-12 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Cybermat47 (Post 1976823)
Good point. Although, in a weeks time, Westboro Baptist Church will probably be Westboro Rubble Pile :D

Probably not. They've been doing this for years.

Cybermat47 12-16-12 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Takeda Shingen (Post 1976825)
Probably not. They've been doing this for years.

Yes, but I have a feeling that this will be the pile of rocks that broke the demon-spawn's back.

Takeda Shingen 12-16-12 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Cybermat47 (Post 1976826)
Yes, but I have a feeling that this will be the pile of rocks that broke the demon-spawn's back.

I'd still wager no. We will continue to hear from and about these people. America is rife with hate groups. WBC is but one of many.

Armistead 12-16-12 04:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Sailor Steve (Post 1976819)
I completely agree that these folks should be prevented from activities like this. While I fully support freedom of speech, parents and friends also have the right to grieve in private, not being bothered by idiots.

Sorry to run off the rails, but I think this deserves answering:

What a strange thing to say. First, how do you know those early Christians were right? Was Armistead referring to all Christians of that time, or only a certain group? Do you base all your beliefs on something someone told you?

My point is not to disagree with Armistead, but with your interpretation of what you think he said. Just because someone two thousand years ago didn't believe it, how do you know there is no hell? How do you know that these people won't end up there? You say that what upsets you most is something you have no way of knowing about, based on what someone who died centuries ago may or may not have believed.

Better to just stick to despising these jerks in the here and now. What happens to anyone in the next life (if there even is one) is a matter of pure speculation, and not worth getting upset over.

Not exactly sure how this came up, but what I was saying the majority of the early church was universalist, they believed God would judge, but that all people would be saved by the work of the cross. This was believed by the earliest church Fathers closet to Jerusalam. Certainly there were other Fathers that believed in hell as a torture pit. We must remember hell wasn't a Christian concept, it long existed in most pagan religions in some form.

If God exist, I don't believe that he would have any desire to torture the majority of humanity because they followed their cultural beliefs, such as Hindu's, etc..

The fact is they're numerous Christian beliefs on hell and heaven. I'm agnostic on the issue myself.

eddie 12-16-12 04:54 PM

They believe this is God's punishment for the sins of our society. They believe our moral compass is so out of whack that tragedy's like this are part of God's judgement against us.

Must be nice that WBC has such great insight as this.:nope:

Sailor Steve 12-16-12 04:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Armistead (Post 1976829)
Not exactly sure how this came up, but what I was saying the majority of the early church was universalist, they believed God would judge, but that all people would be saved by the work of the cross.

Oh, I know, and I understand. It came up because the youngling took that belief for fact and said he was upset that the WBBC folks aren't going to hell. That simple.

Armistead 12-16-12 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by eddie (Post 1976832)
They believe this is God's punishment for the sins of our society. They believe our moral compass is so out of whack that tragedy's like this are part of God's judgement against us.

Must be nice that WBC has such great insight as this.:nope:

I don't think so, I think they're nuts just seeking attention. They're several youtubes out from direct family that left WBC that exposes these nuts.

Cybermat47 12-16-12 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by eddie (Post 1976832)
They believe this is God's punishment for the sins of our society. They believe our moral compass is so out of whack that tragedy's like this are part of God's judgement against us.

They think our moral compass is out of wack!?

vienna 12-16-12 05:38 PM

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They believe this is God's punishment for the sins of our society. They believe our moral compass is so out of whack that tragedy's like this are part of God's judgement against us.
Odd, I thought the existence of WBC was God's punishment for our sins... :hmmm:

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