The original movie was one of the worst movies I have ever seen. What does it tell me that such a crap movie is regarded to be worth an remake?

Nothing encouraging at least.

John Milius is a controversial director anyway. But his old "The Wind and the Lion" - that one I loved when I was young, saw it so many times that I know the texts from beginning to end.

I was a card carrying commie back when I was in school in china (ok, young pioneer party, but still)

I'll just rejoin the party I guess

Man. You guys suck. The old Red Dawn is one of my favorite movies. The bad part about the new one is Josh Peck and Josh Hutcherson. I do not want those two in any kind of action movie.

I would definitely fight. I would fight until it's over.

If it ever did happen to America, I see it being the Chinese. They have a VERY large army. We couldnt repel an army of that size while we're deployed in the Mideast. We couldnt repel an army of that size while we're all at home. China has an army of about 2.2 Million active personnel and they have 385 million Chinese Males fit for Military Service. We have 1.2 Million Active Duty Personnel. We would need all of our citizens to step up and then there might be a small chance. A very minuscule one. Either way, I will fight to defend my home where i grew up and where i had all my childhood memories.

I dont ever want to see Chinese Paratroopers over my house...Actually...I live in Missouri.

If the Chinese pushed THIS far inland, America is in some deep $#!^.

There`s no possible way China could invade the US. They`d have to get through the navy first. No combo of any 3-4 navies in the world could be the USN`s equal. Keep in mind, the USN is as big as the 13 largest navies in the world combined. A single carrier can sink an entire navy single handedly. A SSBN could level an entire nation. An air force capable of taking any civilization in history back into the stone age. China is nowhere near being the equal to any of that. Isn`t the new movie about the N.Koreans invading? All I can say is why? The DPRK can`t even take on ROK single handedly, how can they possibly take the US? The biggest problem for any nation is not taking the country, but holding it. Any idiot can by a pistol, even a rifle and loads of ammo. How many millions of enemy soldiers would be massacred by 311 million idiots with guns and IEDs?

If the Chinese invade, I'm going to open a Chinese Restaurant! Peking Duck will be the specialty of the house, I'll make millions,lol

Because the movie was originally about the Chinese invading but the producers didn't want to alienate Chinese viewers or loose Chinese investment so the DPRK was substituted.

Nothing wrong with that. I just happened to already be in my 30s when it came out, so I could recognize how absolutely preposterous it was. On the plus side Leah Thompson got shot. Not that I don't love Leah Thompson. It was just that her character was so insipid. Well, they all were. That was another bad part.

Our Navy is very small compared to what it used to be. And it gets smaller all the time with these defense cuts. I think if several Navies got together, they'd have a chance. And Americans aren't all idiots. We have a good amount though.


North Korea can't even feed its own people. They wouldn't be able to sustain a war with a major power for very long


Have you read Red Storm Rising by any chance? :06:

100 years ago it had 202 ships now it has 285.
Its bigger than it was 5 years ago, must be those cuts.

It's still short of horses and bayonets, though!

Historcially China has been the most defensive and peaceful empire ever, it seems. There tools by which they exported their influence, where different ones: economy and trade.

and these are what America must fear. Inm the dispoute with Japan over those islands, the ministry of trade has openly threatened Japan with using the immense stockpiles of Japanese state bonds to cast doom over Japan if they push too far over those islands. Japan has immense debts and the biggest buyer of its state bonds outside Japan is China. Their stockpile of Japanese bonds reaches as high as 230 billion.

Now translate that into the american example. ;)

China has also closed the door into the face of Europeans demanding them to buy more Euro bonds. They did not, instead they have bought a tremendous part of for example the filet pieces of Germany industry and hightech companies.

The Chinese will rule, and with iron hand, in parts of the world, especially Africa, they already do. But they will do it via economics. Kind of a payback for Western cannonboat diplomacy and opium wars of the past.

Anothe reason why an invasion of America is unlikely is that having a huge force pool, is one thing. Being able to transport that over the pacific and to the Westcoast, is something very different.

Forget the Reds the Banking Industry is the most dangerous thing we face today.

The two biggest banks in the world are - red banks. :D

http://de.statista.com/statistik/dat...h-boersenwert/

Additionally to claiming first and second place, there are two more Chinese banks on six and seven, giving the Reds four amongst the top ten.

Well they are all together scheming against us. :shifty:

Thanks Sky. :up:

Right, let's start at the top.

China invading the US?

No. Not going to happen. The PLAN isn't powerful enough to support the supply routes needed to sustain an invasion of America. Furthermore, the attrition rate would not be worth the effort of invading.
In WWII, the Japanese contemplated the United States, but only briefly, they realised it would be a doomed effort, because the IJN couldn't support such an invasion and the IJA would struggle to control the areas under its control. The same problems are put forward by China invading, or indeed ANY nation invading the US.
So, a combination of nations? The Russians and Chinese perhaps?
Nope, still not enough and again supply problems would make any invasion grind to a halt not far from the seaboard.
The enemy carriers would be a key target for US attack, as would any coastal airfields that are captured. Robbed of key air cover, the enemy ground forces would be subjected to daily air attacks from every corner, up to and potentially including tactical nuclear weapons, chemical and biological devices. Their landing zones would be bombarded mercilessly from air and sea and their supply ships sunk in droves. Mass desertions would begin as the invading army ran out of ammunition and food (although some could continue functioning for a short period using captured food and weapons from the local populace, but eventually they too would be faced with an opposition they couldn't counter).

The only advantage the enemy would have in the initial attack would be the element of surprise...however, this is not Pearl Harbour any more, the US has a better intelligence network and it's not easy to hide a carrier fleet from things like RORSATs.
They could use merchant ships as a cover, firing ballistic missiles into an altitude high enough to create mass EMPs across America, this would create pure chaos, but primarily amongst the civilian populace, the military would fare better and eventually be able to counter the invasion for reasons mentioned above. However, the effect on the civilian populace would be pretty devastating and there would be a LOT of deaths from lack of medication and health care, and a lot more from people failing to adjust to a situation where there is no electricity. However, the retaliation against the enemy nation would be just as devastating and perhaps lead to a full scale exchange, in which case a lifetime without electricity would be the civilian populaces smallest problem.

Once the element of surprise is lost then so is any invasion of America. It's too big, too well armed and the populace too prone to uprisings. The Soviets couldn't have done it, the Japanese couldn't have done it, we tried and failed at it, so the Chinese certainly wouldn't consider it. Besides, the Chinese don't generally act against nations outside of their sphere of interest. If they wanted to attack America they might missile the shoreline cities from SSGNs or perhaps detonate bombs in cities through espionage and gangs...I imagine the triads might be willing to assist the PRC, but an actual invasion...no, it's not their doctrine. If you lived in Vietnam or Taiwan, then I'd say that you might have something to worry about, but in America? Nah, ain't happening.

Still, it makes for a good film for the masses that don't know any better, stirs up the patriotic spirit and all that.


By the way, Red Storm Rising, as excellent a novel as it is, is inaccurate in one major factor. The absence of nuclear weapons. The Soviet and NATO war plans of the period involved the liberal use of nuclear weapons from almost day one, particularly the Soviets. They would be used to clear a way through NATO defences and paralyse their airforce and command structure. Of course, as soon as the first mushroom went up, NATO would retaliate, the escalation ladder would be climbed and eventually World War III would consist of a handful of Soviet and NATO troops wandering around a nuclear wasteland.
All this within about three or four days.
Obviously this makes for pretty poor reading material, so most games, books and films take the nuclear weapons out of the picture until such a time that the armed forces have had their fill of action.
There is a chance that neither side would want to use nuclear weapons first, however generally speaking within a week or two of fighting, someone would have resorted to it. Either NATO to stop the Soviets, or the Soviets to make a breakthrough as their invasion begins to overstretch and run out of steam. Failing that, West Germany would have surrendered before the nukes came out, fearing the total destruction of Germany as a whole. Better Red than Dead and all that.

It's still a good book, and certainly one of Clancys finest, alongside HFRO, and certainly if a number of factors fell the right way then it could be a realistic look at a Soviet invasion of West Germany, however it would take a great number of things to fall the right way for the original plans to be altered so much.
Take a read of 'Chieftains' by Bob Forrest-Webb, you're probably best doing it through something like Kindle because the going rate for the original book is a stupid amount of money, but it has a fairly realistic look at WWIII, that is to say, it doesn't end well.

Here's some more recommended reading:

http://www.worldaffairsboard.com/fie...a-austria.html

http://www.jrnyquist.com/may14/ussr_war_plan.htm

http://www.pprune.org/archive/index.php/t-447673.html