Yeah, if only poor people weren't so lazy and stupid, they wouldn't be poor.

Glad you made it, AVG. There are millions who work just as hard as you and never do.

Who says that a poor person is lazy? I think you are grossly over simplifying a complex issue.There are plenty of stupid and lazy rich people.

You both did. It was the crux of your argument.

And I left out the antecdotes designed to reinforce this stance. Again, I am glad that both you and AVG made it. But there are millions that don't, and it isn't because they are lazy.

Yes, I know a few of them. The majority if not all are satisfied with what they are doing. So be it. Except one that I know of. He worked the bailing machine at the local papermill. Dead end job for a guy who did not complete 10th grade. Not the brightest crayon in the box. He looked to move up. It would seem there was none for him. He looked for another job. He delivers medical supplies to local residence. Twice the pay. Absolutely loves the job. Has been given praise for his numerous deliveries he makes everyday. In some cases twice as many as others performing the same task. I can not really say I have met anyone who busted his ass and did not move up or out to something better. So, yes, I can not rightly say I know anyone who did not bust his/her hump and not get ahead.

As far as the lazy comment, a young lady worked along side my daughter at her new kennel job. The girl did absolutely nothing the day after Thanksgiving. My daughter picked up her slack. Management recognized this. My daughter was offered the full time position. The other young lady was fired.

Would you promote the dead wood at your business? Think not.

Hard work....it is a nice concept and works well in a majority of the cases when employed.

The "everyone can be a millionaire if they just work hard" idea is so childish and simplistic. As the old saying goes, the world needs ditchdiggers, too. Not everyone in society can be rich.

Really? So the implication is that someone who isn't rich or successful or happy in their job is that they're lazy. That's absolutely not true.

Michael Jordan was a great basketball player who worked very hard and made a buttload of money doing it. He was also a baseball player that worked very hard and batted .202.

Put it another way: The investment banker who drives a Porsche works long hours. So does the guy who washes the Porsche. Why don't they make the same amount of money? Face it - luck plays a large part in success. The investment banker is lucky to be living in a society where his skill in analyzing financial statements in advance of an IPO is valued as highly as it is.

I think I will start calling you "Debbie Downer."

BTW, changing tires is just as dirty and physical as digging a ditch. Been there and done that. But you know, that ditch digger can learn to operate heavy machinery. Move up out of the hole. The pay is great for these guys.

Right.I make no apologies for believing in good work ethic.And I did not say that every poor person is lazy I said that some people that work are lazy I was using the example of the low wage job but I have seen lazy lousy workers in every job I have ever had regardless of what they earned or their wealth level.

I never once said poor people are lazy I felt that I would say it literally.

Things will never be equal in this world and they never will be but I do not think that a guy that can afford a Porsche and a guy that washes a Porsche should earn the same pay though you must not no any car detailers because they can make a good deal of money.

I have friend that I have known since kindergarten this guy really struggled through school and had a hard life his parents where drug addicts and he was raised by his grandmother he is mixed half black and half white and took alot of crap for that from some white and black kids at school.He has nothing beyond a high school diploma.He has a one man auto detailing operation he started off in high school and did very well right off the bat this guy makes $60,000 and that is just a part time job for him now because he got a job a few years ago with CSX as a coach cleaner(cleans the cab and outside of CSX locomotives and fuels them up) and he earns good deal doing that.

Because the guy washing the Porsche likes it or is working to towards something better. No one has a gun to his head.

Ever hear of the mailroom clerk that became CEO of that company he was delivering mail from floor to floor? Guess not.

But Stealhead, this is how these threads usually end up. I also never equated lazy people are poor people as well. Hard work normally provides good fortune. Laziness affords much of nothing. Ask the grasshopper and ant. :up:

Does that me we can call you "Uncle Pennybags"? After all, all you need is the will to pass Go and you will get your $200.

That's fine if you want to back off it now, but I did show you where you said it. You said it politely, but there was no doubt what you meant. They're your words, and if you guys don't want to be held to them, then don't say them in the first place.

And you may call me Mr. Optimism. :O: Yes, the first step is attempting to pass go to get the $200.00. Sitting on one's thumb accepting their lot in life will not change is not the answer. Sorry guys, I do not know anyone who busted their butt and did not get ahead where they were or moved on to something better. I will never buy any argument that one is caught in a rut.

Why don't we plug every mail clerk into the CEO position of every company and see how well that works out. Just because one guy did it doesn't mean they all can. Again - Michael Jordan was a great basketball player who worked very hard. He was also an awful baseball player who worked very hard.

And see, something doesn't mesh here.

So poor people are not poor because they are lazy, only because they are lazy. Come on, man.

Read it how you like. Hard work never hurt anyone that I'm aware of. And, well, the lazy girl that worked with my daughter is currently unemployed as a result of the not wanting to work. Therefore, she will have less to spend which equates to lazy people can find themselves being poor as well. Works for you?

Answer the question....would you promote the deadwood in your business? Would you give them a raise in pay?