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CCIP 11-28-12 03:23 PM
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Originally Posted by CaptainHaplo (Post 1966980)
She refused treatment.

No one but herself to blame for the outcome of such a decision.

Case dismissed.
Yeah, that's the part that gets me. She didn't die because they couldn't get her to treatment quickly enough. She died because she refused treatment. Pretty sure that even a hospital in Somalia would've been equipped with a dialysis machine to save her if needed, let alone Hungary or the Czech Republic where healthcare is, all in all, pretty good. Likewise, commercial airlines are not medevac. They simply aren't equipped to pull out seriously ill people during health crises, and it's absurd to me to expect them to make that promise.

It sounds like this is not a poor family either, and if they were US residents then they probably had enough health insurance to be able to arrange for a proper medical flight. It's not like there aren't ways to fly a sick 400lb woman across an ocean safely and under proper supervision. It's just that someone wanted to cheap out and fly Delta instead. Shame on them.

Jimbuna 11-28-12 03:58 PM
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Originally Posted by CCIP (Post 1967616)
Yeah, that's the part that gets me. She didn't die because they couldn't get her to treatment quickly enough. She died because she refused treatment. Pretty sure that even a hospital in Somalia would've been equipped with a dialysis machine to save her if needed, let alone Hungary or the Czech Republic where healthcare is, all in all, pretty good. Likewise, commercial airlines are not medevac. They simply aren't equipped to pull out seriously ill people during health crises, and it's absurd to me to expect them to make that promise.

It sounds like this is not a poor family either, and if they were US residents then they probably had enough health insurance to be able to arrange for a proper medical flight. It's not like there aren't ways to fly a sick 400lb woman across an ocean safely and under proper supervision. It's just that someone wanted to cheap out and fly Delta instead. Shame on them.
Just about sums it up for me....ta :yep:

Stealhead 11-28-12 04:16 PM
Why a person that had some many medical issues would have a summer home or whatever in a nation where they did not "trust the doctors" is beyond me.I think I'd rather see an Hungarian doctor to be honest.

My wife is a dermatologist and in this area the best GP is a Russian woman that got trained in Soviet times other doctors always know who the bets and worst doctors are in their area.

Hell I'm not picky push comes to shove a veterinarian could keep you breathing and any medical facility is better than none at all at least to get you stabilized.

Cybermat47 11-28-12 04:34 PM
Shame they haven't got any Me 323s.

Jimbuna 11-28-12 04:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Cybermat47 (Post 1967674)
Shame they haven't got any Me 323s.
Shocking :o

Herr-Berbunch 11-28-12 06:38 PM
The worst thing is that her greedy family might win! What would that tell the world? :nope:

CaptainHaplo 11-28-12 07:10 PM
Question #1 - how are they going to transport the body home for burial?

OK - that was bad.

Seriously though - she could have taken a cruise back - such vessels have sufficent medical facilities to deal with such issues as she had, and unless she gained even more weight, she would not have upset the stability of the ship.

Or would she?

Stealhead 11-28-12 11:14 PM
All joking aside it is not the weight of an obese person that is the issue but rather the girth.If they cant safety wear a seat belt they endanger themselves and others.

400 pounds is not much weight to a large airliner we are not talking about a Piper Cub where such weight would be a serious factor that is just two large men entire football teams fly all the time and the combined weight must be pretty high but they can all safely sit in the seats and wear the belts when needed and they are not on the verge of death.A large aircraft has several thousand pounds just in fuel not to mention any cargo.

An Airbus A340-300 can carry up to 39,060 gallons of fuel maximum take of weight is 610,000 lbs and the plane weighs 287,000 lbs empty.Fully loaded with fuel(~6.8 pounds per gallon) that leaves 57,392 lbs for passengers and cargo even if there where 20,000 lbs in cargo that still leaves 37392 lbs in passenger weight.The issue is being able to safely be abroad the plane not weight.

Of course this dose not take into account weight distribution but that is more vital on pure cargo aircraft that carry very large and heavy objects (tanks, helicopters) or an aircraft set up for cargo.

Jimbuna 11-29-12 05:31 AM
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Originally Posted by Stealhead (Post 1967817)
All joking aside it is not the weight of an obese person that is the issue but rather the girth.If they cant safety wear a seat belt they endanger themselves and others.

400 pounds is not much weight to a large airliner we are not talking about a Piper Cub where such weight would be a serious factor that is just two large men entire football teams fly all the time and the combined weight must be pretty high but they can all safely sit in the seats and wear the belts when needed and they are not on the verge of death.A large aircraft has several thousand pounds just in fuel not to mention any cargo.

An Airbus A340-300 can carry up to 39,060 gallons of fuel maximum take of weight is 610,000 lbs and the plane weighs 287,000 lbs empty.Fully loaded with fuel(~6.8 pounds per gallon) that leaves 57,392 lbs for passengers and cargo even if there where 20,000 lbs in cargo that still leaves 37392 lbs in passenger weight.The issue is being able to safely be abroad the plane not weight.

Of course this dose not take into account weight distribution but that is more vital on pure cargo aircraft that carry very large and heavy objects (tanks, helicopters) or an aircraft set up for cargo.
I know little of the figures you typed but believe they will be correct and agree safety must have been the primary factor.

kraznyi_oktjabr 11-29-12 07:34 AM
How wide this lady would have been and what is width of passenger airliners doors? :hmmm:

vienna 11-29-12 01:19 PM
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How wide this lady would have been and what is width of passenger airliners doors? :hmmm:
According to the original radio report I heard, an attempt was made to board her on one airliner, but she was unable to fit the aisle space between the seats...

<O>

Jimbuna 11-29-12 01:22 PM
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Originally Posted by vienna (Post 1968131)
According to the original radio report I heard, an attempt was made to board her on one airliner, but she was unable to fit the aisle space between the seats...

<O>
What about the cargo hold?


j/k

Stealhead 11-29-12 03:05 PM
Maybe the space shuttle.:03:


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