Something to think about too is, the Quds forces using a proxy like Hezbollah to plant a dirty bomb in Isreal! It seems like that would be more their style anyway, concidering what they would face in launching a nuke armed missle.

I think that is the most likely form that any Iranian attack would take, getting through Israels missile defences isn't particularly easy as Saddam found out years ago. Furthermore, why stop at Israel?

However, it would be pretty easy to trace the attack back to Iran though, and the retaliation would be...impressive.

The Iranians like to brag about how accurate their missiles are, which is more propaganda then anything else. So if there was an exchange of missiles between Isreal and Iran, imagine the position Jordan would be in. All those missles from Iran falling short, exploding everywhere in Jordan! Poor folks there, sitting around and minding their own business, when all of a sudden, all hell breaks loose.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FAIpf...eature=related

Consider Worf to be any of the Western ones, and Garak to be the Iranians. :O:


In serious, there have been assassins. The Iranians speeded their efforts up. There have been cyberattacks. The Iranians mutliplied the centrifuges, or replaced the production method. The sanctions - is anyone aware that there even are sanctions? I cannot see sanction smaking them chnage their mind at all.

It is about time, and none of the above things works fast enough and produces sufficient results so far. And the diplomatic game is a stupid waste of time that time and again saw the West being led around by its nose. Since years and years and years and years and years. And still there are those who claim that after one wasted decades, it only needs some more "time". Well, time is running out. Once they are under their damn mountains, they are invulnerable and have all the time they need to complete their damn nukie.

Let'S face it. The Iranians do not want to negotiate conditions to give up their nuke program. They never wanted to give it up, and they never will give it up. What they want is divide their enemies, deflect Western opposition, undermine Western public opinion like the USSR and GDR did during the cold war, and they want to win the time they need to dig their facilities so deep into the mountains that they cannot be reached anymore. Gaining a high price from the West to give up their nuke program is not part of their agenda, and never was.

They want nuclear weapons. They directly threatened Israel repeatedly. And they are driven by damn Islamic ideology as well, which again is not about compromise and coexistence and tolerance, but is about dominating it all and subjugating it all and winning it all and taking all the prize. Beware the religious hysterics with a nukie in his hand. What is horror to you, is a scenario of delight and glory to him.

They want nukes, and they do what they must to get them. What else is there needed for deciding what to do? I cannot understand the Western egg-dancing, which has seen over a hundred diplomatic back-and-forths over one decade - and nothing, nothing, nothing having been acchieved from a Western POV.

They want nukes. And now it is up to us to decide if we let them, or not. There is nothing more to be known. Could the situation be any simplier? I doubt it. Do we allow them getting nukes, or not? Very simple question, can be answered with Yes or No.

Eternal optimists. I think such optimists should be concerned that they do not end up as being "eternal" in the meaning of "dead". I can recall three eternal optimists whom I made closer contact with in my life. Yes, I liked them, and yes, they were very well-meaning and inspiring for sure. And they all crashed their lifes against walls that refused to become any softer due to their good wishing. They all payed very high prices for glossing reality in their private lives, because fate and slow but long falls found them unprepared. I think I prefer realism and determination any time. Being prepared while not needing to be, is good. Being prepared while needing to be, is even better.

Or as Patton said: When the situation is hopeless, things are desperate and you are loosing: attack, attack, attack!

Ha! You are right, I'm preaching this since years. The biggest threat beside the instability of a nuclear arms race in the ME is proliferation, and terror suitcase bombs. This worries me much more than scenarios with Iranian MRBM falling down from the sky.

Garak has to be one of my favourite DS9 characters. :D

DS9 turned out to be my favourite Star Trek series.

Close second are the late seasons of TNG (later translated into riper).

Some individual films of Voyager are okay, too. But the series as a whole stayed to be too sterile.

Good lead character ideas where to be seen in all three series.

TNG and DS9 rock.

Well all the Muslim countries seem greatly concerned about the welfare of the Palestinian refugees. The same refugees the Muslim states keep in squad camps and deny citizenship too. :haha:

:nope:

From 638 AD to 1073 AD the Muslims didn't seem very concerned about preserving the sanctity of Jerusalem, they took every opportunity too invade and capture the city from rival Muslims.

Considering how many times Muslims bomb their own holy sites to kill members of rival sects, they don't seem too concerned about sacrilege when it comes in the way of victory. Lets also not forget that Islamic fundamentalists sized the Grand Mosque in 1979, the resulting battle cost about 500 lives.

Its in their deepest traditions to destroy a holy place even their own, then built triumphantly on the ruins. It happened in Mecca, it happened in Jerusalem, and a bunch of other places.

Its not going to happen, I mean, when even Skybird knows about it, the IDF would be highly stupid to execute such a plan

^ lol


And this is probably "uncovered" intentionally, for desinformation and to strike fear in the hearts of Iran.
I mean the blogger states he has been officially allowed to publish it, by the israelian govenment ? Hello ? :O:

I think Netanjahu and Barak are dead serious. Whether they manage to get the domestic support needed to go ahead, is something different. And the IDF will add it's voice (against a strike now), but in the end do as ordered by politicians.

It's 50:50, I say. And that already is serious enough a signal. Distribution of gas maks and modernising bunkers has been pushed with maximum urgency in past weeks and months.

In a jewish online newspaper I read that a attack on Iran could happen in the next 12 week. Furthermore The article said that Iran had made enough uran to build hiroshima-bomb

A few days later I saw on the danish news channel (TV-Avisen) that the american minister of Defence have been travelling between Washington and Israel.

The commentator said, that these meeting was not to make some war plan, but to give Israel some kind of promise. He also said that USA is not interested in a war right now, due to two things

1. There's an election on it's way in America

2. The american is tired of war.

An american attack right now, would definitely mean that Obama could say godbye the a second period in the white house.

After have been watching, reading and hearing about this stuff, I say this.

First after the american election, a combined attack on Iran wil happen and not before.

If this article is right, then Iran could send some atomic bomb against Israel, if they are bombed.


By the way
What if this "war Plan" have been leaked on purpose?
Markus

If the american minister of defence is giving Israel some kind of promises if they wait to attack Iran, after the election i USA.

Then this article is explaining why

http://www.timesofisrael.com/the-us-...-attacks-iran/

USA is NOT interested in a war against Iran - not now, not before the election.

Markus

Both cluntries differ in opinion about what the critical treshold is: is it when the program has become invulnerable by moving it sufficiently under the mountaisn so that they can work on their bomb as long as needed (Israel'S and mine position), or is it when Iran is just one inch away from having finished building its first bomb (Obama'S official position, it seems). But the latter is too late, since their bomb conmstruijction center or whatver they have can no longer be reached anymore by then. Obama'S criterion thus is the attempt to bend reality to his political desire and eleciton timetable. But reality is stronger. And I doubt that he even plkans to attack at all, no matter time and conditions. I think Obama already has settled with the Iranian bomb.

Israel will not wait that long.

Furthermore, the US had indicated to Israel that they wanted to brief them en detail on their warplans. That was several weeks ago. But the Israeli'S are still waiting. No substantial state of planning has been revealed to them. No warplan illustrated. Just vague comments and cheap promises.

No, Israel has no reason at all to trust in the US over Iran. I can only hope that the US - although angrily howling - will side up with them when Israel strikes. But even that I do not count on anymore. I still have Obama'S terrible Cairo speech on my mind, which revealed a level of illusions and distorted sense of reality that I found simply frightening. Since his Cairo speech I consider Obama to be dangerous and a real security threat, like Bush before.