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CaptainHaplo 08-16-12 07:24 AM

While the Brits may be able to claim that the 1987 law provides them legal authority, it still violates international agreements and treaties. Its fairly certain that the Brits won't risk the backlash.

They will wait this out - sooner or later he will be outside the embassy, and when he is they will pop him then. As in arrest - not kill. Just to be clear.

Oberon 08-16-12 07:27 AM

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Originally Posted by CaptainHaplo (Post 1922105)
As in arrest - not kill. Just to be clear.

That is, providing, no-one else gets to him first...

http://a4.ec-images.myspacecdn.com/i...1a9ad2e0/l.jpg

Not likely though, given how much media attention is on him, but still...

Kongo Otto 08-16-12 07:54 AM

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Originally Posted by TarJak (Post 1922025)
From what I've read the UK can use the Diplomatic and Consular Premises Act 1987 to legally enter the embassy and arrest Assange.

Whether they will or not is debatable. Whether Ecuador can move him out of the UK without him getting arrested on the way is also debatable.

The whole thing stinks and has done from the start. Even the Swedish sexual assault allegations are a bit suss.

It does make interesting watching to see the machinations though.

The Diplomatic and Consular Premises Act 1987 would work in this case.
All the Diplomatic and Consular Premises Acts (1964, 1968, 1987) are only valid for Diplomatic and Consular Staff, Properties etc.
Assange isn't a member of the Equadorian Diplomatic Staff so the UK's Diplomatic and Consular Acts do not apply on him.
On the other side, there is no real need to storm an Embassy just for such a creep like Assange, he has not committed any crimes in the UK and is just a Person who should be expelled from the UK to Sweden to stand trial for a Sexual assault charge.
As he has no Diplomatic immunity, the UK just need to wait until he sticks out his head.
Really guys is anybody taking comments like "the British government had threatened to raid its embassy in London if Wikileaks founder Julian Assange was not handed over" really serious, especially when such claims came from the Equadorian President.
C'mon guys really.

Ah and has anybody of you ever thought about the possibility that the Sexual Assault Charges in Sweden are true and not part of a big conspiracy theory?
Hmm what if that guy is just another egomaniac who means just because he has a "Name and reputation" he can do what ever he wants?
Surely would not fit the picture of "the shining light" he has gained in the hearts of some people.
But of course it must be an US-UK Conspiracy, just because it's so easy to negate the possibility that this guy despite his possible merits isn't just more than a Sex Offender with an Internet reputation.

Oberon 08-16-12 07:55 AM

Either way, Ecuador has granted him asylum.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-19281492

Now we wait.

STEED 08-16-12 08:04 AM

Don't say your going to do it, do it!

Man we look like a load of * to the rest of the world now for coming out with that tripe. And now he has won.

BossMark 08-16-12 08:10 AM

Go in arrest him sod the consistencies he should be brought justice and pay for his crimes :yep:

Oberon 08-16-12 08:12 AM

Yeah, arrest him, make us look like North Korea or China! :yep::yeah:

CaptainHaplo 08-16-12 08:14 AM

This is a sad situation because I don't doubt that the British government rattled its saber a little to try to get Ecuador to move. It backfired.

The little rat isn't worth this much attention though. Just keep the place under watch, check every vehicle leaving, then snatch him when he moves.

STEED 08-16-12 08:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Oberon (Post 1922125)
Yeah, arrest him, make us look like North Korea or China! :yep::yeah:

Who cares...I would go further, arrest him and send him to America. :D

Oberon 08-16-12 08:20 AM

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Originally Posted by STEED (Post 1922131)
Who cares...I would go further, arrest him and send him to America. :D

Well, that's fair enough Steed. I'd just be careful what you say though, lest you find yourself in a nice room at her majestys leisure for creating dissent against the government. Since we're going down that path. :03:

STEED 08-16-12 08:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Oberon (Post 1922137)
Well, that's fair enough Steed. I'd just be careful what you say though, lest you find yourself in a nice room at her majestys leisure for creating dissent against the government. Since we're going down that path. :03:

Oberon old bean I've been putting the boot in on those Tory Toffs and their lap dog liberals for a few years now. :har:

David Cameron is the worst Prime Minister ever! Do you hear me Cameron sunning yourself up in Spain while the UK goes down the plug hole?

Skybird 08-16-12 08:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Kongo Otto (Post 1922115)
The Diplomatic and Consular Premises Act 1987 would work in this case.

Which internationally has questionable lehgal status, is not confirmed by mutual international agreements or is not verified by international treaties, and in effect means nothing. It just compares to what I said. Unilaterally claiming the right to raid a neighbour's territory, or to unilaterally abandon international treaties on national waters and expand the boundaries as one wants.

The rest of the world is not a British province as if it would need to obey a exlcusively national law of Britain.

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All the Diplomatic and Consular Premises Acts (1964, 1968, 1987) are only valid for Diplomatic and Consular Staff, Properties etc. [quote]

But the sphere, the place, the space is.

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Assange isn't a member of the Equadorian Diplomatic Staff so the UK's Diplomatic and Consular Acts do not apply on him.
But they do apply to the space he is in.

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On the other side, there is no real need to storm an Embassy just for such a creep like Assange, he has not committed any crimes in the UK and is just a Person who should be expelled from the UK to Sweden to stand trial for a Sexual assault charge.
No, the tamtam is becasue the Swedes claim they just want to interrogate him. This they could have had the cheap way already, by agreeing to his offer to get interrogated in a neutral place. Which would not even have been a precedent. They did not want that, because interrogation is the last of their concerns. They want him in their fangs, so to speak.

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As he has no Diplomatic immunity, the UK just need to wait until he sticks out his head.
Yes, if he does. It'S a waiting game.

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Have you ever thought about the possibility that the Sexual Assault Charges in Sweden are true and not part of a big conspiracy theory?
Yes, and found the whole story to be very susppicious and thin, but smelly to the max, with the reputation of the Swedish "victims" and "witnesses" being questionable and their charges being dubious at best. And do some research on the Swedish laws regarding rape. It is hilarious, really, for what a man can get chraged for rape in Sweden. If the women just claism that after sex she felt uncomfrotable, this already cna trigger a police exmaination if she files it. I did not believe it when I first read that in a German magazine when the story was hot. But I got first-hand confirmation for it since then.

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Hmm what if that guy is just another egomaniac who means just because he has a "Name and reputation" he can do what ever he wants?
Surely would not fit the picture of "the shining light" he has gained in the hearts of some people.
He IS a self-centred egomaniac and attention-craving character, no doubt. I do noit like him one bit, and many of his former comrades testify that by chraracter he behaved like a tyrant. But that is no excuse for this witch-hunt.

Assange has all reason to fear revenge by the US. He ripped some of their masks of theor faces. And that is somethign that the criminal breed that political leaders are inside and outside the US and in all the world, will never forget and never forgive. They have an genetically inbred right to remain unrevealed with their misdeeds, lies, betrayals and violations, you see.

At least they think so. I disagree, and that is the only reason why I supported wikileaks. Sympathy for Assange has nothing to do with it. Heck, I cannot stand him, by his behavior and appearance and eyes he is extremely unsympathetic to me.

Kazuaki Shimazaki II 08-16-12 08:25 AM

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Originally Posted by TarJak (Post 1922098)
The argument the Poms have in their favour is that their law can override their compliance with the Vienna convention. The issue is that the argument will always take place after the fact by which time Assange is banged up and on his way to Sweden. Ecuador can cry all they want in The Hague, but that argument will take a long time and Assange's arrest and extradition will have been long gone by the time it is finished.

And what would the likely result be? Ecuador and Britain dissolve diplomatic relations for a while and then in a few years patch things over and forget it ever happened. Britain may get stung with a damages bill, but the appeals on that would take years as well. Right or wrong the UK law gives them the ability to do what they want within their own borders, including walking into the Ecuadorian embassy with a weeks notice.

I'm not sure it will take that long. No International Court will allow local legislation to brutally override the letter or (even if the letter can somehow be twisted to allow the action) the essence of such a fundamental treaty as one that governs diplomatic relationships. They will probably ignore all niceties, ignore any motions by the Brits, hand down a judgment by the end of the week and strike down all appeals because it is too hazardous to let this precedent stand even momentarily.

BossMark 08-16-12 08:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Oberon (Post 1922137)
Well, that's fair enough Steed. I'd just be careful what you say though, lest you find yourself in a nice room at her majestys leisure for creating dissent against the government. Since we're going down that path. :03:

Get arrested for telling the truth about the worst government in history, impossible other wise me and STEED would have been locked up years ago:har::haha:

STEED 08-16-12 08:42 AM

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Originally Posted by BossMark (Post 1922147)
Get arrested for telling the truth about the worst government in history, impossible other wise me and STEED would have been locked up years ago:har::haha:

Right on Bro...Free the Prison Two. :haha:

Hang on we're still free... :har: :har:


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