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Herr-Berbunch 06-20-12 08:12 AM
That is bloody good photoshopping to get rid of all the others from this original!

http://desmond.imageshack.us/Himg152...pg&res=landing

:D

August 06-20-12 09:23 AM
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Originally Posted by CaptainHaplo (Post 1899434)
That has to be a photoshopped picture. Look close. He is jumping in oily, dirty water. Yet he is full clothed - in white no less, along with socks and shoes. The socks and shoes are a big give away - who goes swimming (of any type) intentionally with socks and shoes on? Also, look how close he appears to be to the walkway - its like he "stepped" off instead of jumped. However, if he did - he wouldn't have had time to get into the current position - his legs would still be in the act of coming together from a walking gait. Had he jumped to give himself the time needed to get into that position - he wouldn't be shown as that close to the walkway - he literally could lean his head back and break his skull on the way down.

Details make me call bull on that one.
I'm pretty sure that those aren't socks and shoes but rather divers wet suit booties.

gimpy117 06-20-12 09:29 AM
and why are we so scared of Iran Again?

mookiemookie 06-20-12 10:29 AM
http://i.imgur.com/jFmmT.jpg

Herr-Berbunch 06-20-12 10:49 AM
http://img818.imageshack.us/img818/338/iraniannavy2.jpg

TLAM Strike 06-20-12 12:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Herr_Pete (Post 1899358)
haha I wondered about that photo too. Wasn't sure if he was having a little sly cigarette or something lol It didn't quite add up with the fact he is suspended in mid air though:hmmm:
He is not suspened in mid air.

Someone hung him from a mooring cleat by the elastic of his underwear... :03:

Hinrich Schwab 06-20-12 02:24 PM
This is one of those times I wish the Kaleun smilies had a "faceplam" option. :k_confused::doh:

mapuc 06-20-12 02:37 PM
As some one wrote a nice practice target and i think it is.

I do not see any problems for the US's ASW to find and perhaps if needed sink her.

However a well trained and determined crew, could get so near a CVBG that she can deliever a few eels against the Carrier, before she is detected or manege to disappear.

I Have very little knowledge about the US's ASW-doctrine, but I believe that they do NOT underestimate any threat.

Markus

kraznyi_oktjabr 06-20-12 04:48 PM
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Originally Posted by mapuc (Post 1899543)
As some one wrote a nice practice target and i think it is.

I do not see any problems for the US's ASW to find and perhaps if needed sink her.

However a well trained and determined crew, could get so near a CVBG that she can deliever a few eels against the Carrier, before she is detected or manege to disappear.

I Have very little knowledge about the US's ASW-doctrine, but I believe that they do NOT underestimate any threat.

Markus
Taking into consideration that in 2006 during an exercise Chinese SSK surfaced with in firing range from USS Kitty Hawk (CV-62), escorted by several surface vessels and at my understanding by two SSNs, I wouldn't put my bet on that.

Also in my undertanding that boat managed to slip away after it was noticed...

Jimbuna 06-21-12 06:11 AM
The RAN has a gallery of images taken from very close range, what they call an "underwater look", of the hull, screws and rudder of almost every class of US carrier, a tradition that started with the Oberons and continues with the Collins class today supposedly.

In another exercise the SSK Gotland was credited with the simulated sinking of the U.S.S Ronald Reagan -CVN-76.

Herr-Berbunch 06-21-12 06:57 AM
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Originally Posted by jimbuna (Post 1899746)
In another exercise the SSK Gotland was credited with the simulated sinking of the U.S.S Ronald Reagan -CVN-76.
Didn't the USN 'rent' the Gotland for a while, to test?

kraznyi_oktjabr 06-21-12 07:25 AM
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Originally Posted by Herr-Berbunch (Post 1899769)
Didn't the USN 'rent' the Gotland for a while, to test?
:yep:

Jimbuna 06-21-12 07:26 AM
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Originally Posted by Herr-Berbunch (Post 1899769)
Didn't the USN 'rent' the Gotland for a while, to test?
Not quite...they were on a twelve month deployment tasked to assist the US in various exercises.

Quote:
“We are deployed here for at least one year and will conduct up to 160 training days at sea, supporting strike groups, individual ships and rescue submarines, and participating in the tests and development of new equipment,” Ostbring said.

“The main purpose of adding the third dimension of a small, conventional submarine into these exercises is to help to enhance the U.S. Navy’s capabilities of detecting small submarines close to shore, and at the same time, we are getting better at operating both with and against large ships that we are not used to operating with,” he added.

A small number of U.S. Navy personnel routinely embark as riders and observers aboard Gotland and, in turn, the U.S. Navy also provides embarks aboard U.S. Navy vessels to Swedish Sailors. These embarks allow them a firsthand look at the day-to-day operations of a ship at sea.

Marcantilan 06-21-12 01:02 PM
I think the boat has a "sail" not a "conning tower".

In the other hand, I don´t think a Kilo class sub, even older, could be underestimated, more if she is operating in the Persian Gulf.

TLAM Strike 06-21-12 02:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Marcantilan (Post 1899870)
I think the boat has a "sail" not a "conning tower".

In the other hand, I don´t think a Kilo class sub, even older, could be under underestimated, more if she is operating in the Persian Gulf.
On a Russian boat its called a 'fin'.

But it is highly doubtful that the Iranian's would operate their Kilos in the Gulf. There are large portions of the Gulf where the depths don't exceed periscope depth and others where it is only as deep as the length of the submarine. Their Ghadir class submarines are intended for orientations in the Gulf (hence the submarine tunnels at IRGCN bases in the Gulf), while the Kilos are meant for operations in the Gulf of Oman and the Arabian Sea (there is an Iranian naval base under construction/expansion near the border of Pakistan that is believed to be the new Kilo base).


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