I'm still waiting for my barrel of oil from that whole "Blood for Oil" thing back in the 1990's. :yep:

On topic and debated with respect and a modicum of class.....as always http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/9425/praydl5rp5.gif

And here's the problem with all mental illnesses. If you have a limb wrapped in bandages everyone will agree that you're injured but if it's "just in your head" people will just tell you that you are weak and you should "just pull yourself togehther".:damn:

Yes!

Good luck getting that through.

I think military psychs were told to ignore crying and shaking.
Sad thing is some would even call him a traitor, because he didn't man up.:06:

(he did man up, he broke when he got home)

Sure he has the VA, but you are better off with nurse Ratchet. Electroing you because she hated you.

Not being ignored and defunded. Ooops

(the sick vets deserve the most attention)

The point was he had a good point and you had just proved the validity of parts of his point very well.

Are you Shell?
Actually you regularly prove his finishing point when it comes to that disaster of a conflict.

Probably not, the point hits too close to home for some to face.
It does have potential though.
If you cross the water to the UK and hit one of their past conflicts that is back in the news recently you could explore why the Brits government are so touchy about their vets from the Falklands?
Seriously you have disabled vets climbing the welsh mountains to raise money to campaign for the government to do something (even acknowledge the existance of) for the mentally damaged ex servicemen from that conflict.

ok... Brace yourselves - the Captain is going on a tirade.

Yes, the military instills the "macho man" mentality - it IS how wars are won. That's the job of the military by the way - WIN. They do it the best way they can...

Yes - our injured vets - whether physically or mentally injured - need to be given the best of care - what they get now is a disgrace in many cases.

But blaming the military is pointing blame at the wrong target.... The military fights under the rules it is given by the politicians. Everything from the ROE to the available forces are ultimately POLITICAL decisions.

I can list just about every US "conflict" from Korea to present and show how it was an utter failure due to the lack of political will to actually fight it as a WAR!

The US has the ability to pretty much flatten 95% of the countries individually out there without real effort. Alliances happen for reasons. But so far, we have not faced an alliance of nations since WW2. Instead we deal with piss ant regimes that we COULD take out without much risk, yet we don't for fear of "world opinion". Screw opinion - WAR is us or them - and military forces around the world have marching orders from politicians who are more concerned about how the french will whine than they are about winning the conflict.

Iraq? Afghanistan? The islamic terrorist problem in Pakistan? All 3 could be solved in less than 2 months. But the politicians fear to take the actions necessary.

And so military forces around the world send people off to get screwed up, physically and mentally ......

What upsets me, and many other family members is (I am sure it is the same in most countries) is that the volunteer military expects better.

At one point we saw to it our vets got everything they needed , within reason of course.
No Private, you cannot have a yacht, and a private Island.:haha:

Sure I have concern for my family, but he will heal, he was always stronger than most of us.:yeah:

But I am concerned for his comrades, of all branches,.

America will have a large amount of troops coming home, away from all they knew for awhile.

Alot of troops needing civilian jobs amongst our already silly unemployment.

Alot of mental health money going towards a dumb aircraft engine.

But ya know, boeing does give alot to PACS.:x

And that is really what it is about. I bet there would be alot less "American Foreign Adventures" if our congress didn't go out of its way to give patronage towards them.

It all bubbles down to this.
America needs a culture shift.
It really seems like in recent years we have been trying to justify all the money we spent (for non use) during the cold war.

How about this?

Blatant forum rule breaking coming....


*&^$ the middle east. Let them off each other.
%^&* Israel, let the best man win.

Have fun with your Muzzy problem Europe, Soop wants nothing of it. (we got Mexicans and lax laws, be happy)

Osama went off the back of a ship, I am done. I am satisfied. Lets spend the money we give to Pakis, Afghanis, and Iraquis, who would love to cook us on a stake, to help vets. All of them, from all wars.

The treatment our congress has given to the VA in recent years is vile.:nope::damn:

Wow what a melodrama......a Turkish movie.
if any army tries to swipe under carpet(which i'm not sure it does)the stress disorders due to military service it is mistake.
I'm also pretty sure that vast majority of US army vets will do just great in their lives....certainly far from becoming some violent or traumatised psychos.

As it seems here... the life may be very traumatic for some.
In military service the magnitudes are much different.

So you are mocking me?

Perhaps you are unaware of the neglect given to sick military members. Due to defunding of services.

Or you are mocking me and my family.

Anymously on a forum. I can tell you where to put the Turkish melodrama, but I want to avoid saying enough to get banned or chastized.

(edit: He feels banished to a trailer. he shakes, no faking, he wants to work but cannot, because he is messed up, not violent, but really sad. loud noises mess with him, and he is much less agressive then he used to be Turkish movie, was freaking harsh bro,
pardon me for trying to relay real life experience)

http://www.gao.gov/products/GAO-11-32

http://www.kaiserhealthnews.org/dail...-benefits.aspx

Those that say the US Government ignores the problem of Veteran PTSD are full of it.

Sorry for your cousin and what happened to him but....did he get the treatment he deserves?

From what i know about army...it can be sometimes very hardlined in acknowledging some issues as a direct couse of military service not necessarily due to not caring about its vets.


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Soopa
But a look at the history of pretty much any country wold suggest that you shouldn't expect that.


Haplo
99.9% correct.

Sorry but if you link that to the following lines then the big two have to be excluded as the whole reason behind the failure was because of the inability to militarily take on the "alliance" behind those "piss ant" countries.
Nice little dig at the French though, are you still upset that they said Iraq part deux was a really really dumb idea?

It could also be argued that the "damn male macho cult" is what causes wars and always has. If everybody refused to go the politicians would have to fight themselves. Of course that would require that everybody would have to refuse to go, and there are always going be some somewhere who want to fight, so the DMMC wins out, and everybody has to fight or be destroyed. Sucks, but testosterone is the enemy of the world. :sunny:

He is not the same.
I do not think you were attacking me personally. I still remember when he nearly kicked some guys butt in a bar for hitting on my future wife (then beat him up later for making fun of my limp) , now he won't leave the house. He just wants to isolate.

Won't hurt no one. But will never enjoy companionship, he won't even show up for Thanksgiving or Christmas, and my house is the place to be.

I know the original story was sopping with drama. But those sad stories do exist in real life. It is not always a piece of propaganda. Which pieces like this are always accused of, which I took from your original post.

So for what it is worth, sorry if I was harsh.

I was always too passionate about things.

But I will repeat, stories like this will be heard alot, and even more violent ones ahead if these guys return to civilian life unemployed. Just sayin':salute:

:yep:

I've heard horror stories told about other places, but I can get pretty much anything I need. My doctor asked me if I wanted to talk to somebody, and when I was ready they scheduled me to see a VA therapist. I got in within the week and was told I could stay as long as I wanted, join a group or stick with private consultation and quit when I wanted.

I don't know about other VA centers, but Salt Lake's is first rate. :rock: