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mookiemookie 03-19-12 02:30 PM

It sounds like people are doing a lot of jumping to conclusions. It could be a lone nutjob. Since they have no suspect, they really have no way of knowing.

Stealhead 03-19-12 02:36 PM

There is nothing wrong with speculating what might be the motive or whack jobness of the person/s.I myself at least was just speculating not setting things in stone or jumping to conclusions.This is a forum after all a place of discussion.

mookiemookie 03-19-12 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Stealhead (Post 1857492)
This is a forum after all a place of discussion.

Never said it wasn't. I'm simply saying that there's no way of knowing what the motivations of this guy were. In any case, it's very sad that kids can't even be safe at a school. :nope:

Skybird 03-19-12 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Stealhead (Post 1857487)
Well I would rule out a lone jihadist seeing as the two troops where of North African descent they are more likely to be Muslim

They served in the infidels' (=wrong) army, and therefore would have been legitimate targets for they already had compromised their faith, from a truly Islamic point of view. See it as a form of collaboration, so to speak. France repeatedly was and is engaged in the Middle East wars of the past 22 years.

However, the latest reports mentioned a link the police is examining, to a paratrooper unit of the army with known problems with rightwing extremism. They see if the murderer may have been a fired member of that unit, and a former rightwing activist hating Jews and taking revenge on his former unit.

Jimbuna 03-19-12 06:37 PM

The latest update from the BBC

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-17437795

Tribesman 03-19-12 07:44 PM

So 3 former paratroopers who got dismissed for being extreme right wing racists are being sought so the police can compare their tattoos with what witnesses describe.

Stealhead 03-19-12 08:40 PM

I always find it interesting that when a terror attack occurs many tend to assume that it is an extremist Islamic source as if they are the only types that might commit terrorist acts more like they are one of many types in my mind.I feel that any terror attack is a bad thing no matter who might be the victims or who or what the motive is.

My speculation that it the attacker/s where possibly right wing was based on the fact that
1) the victims where non-white and non christian
2) the off duty soldiers killed where of North African decent that would make them most likely not whites most likely Arabs and most likely Muslims.
3)one of the targets was a representation of the French government and something about it that a right winger greatly dislikes: a non-white non-French non-European person in an equal role as a white French person.

The fact also that the men killed where off duty soldiers implied to me that the person was either a current or former solider or a person that has direct knowledge of the activities and hang outs of local soldiers.

Again this my take in the information given I am not trying to say that I or anyone knows for sure.Just saying this is speculation no one needs to tell me that you cant know for sure that is why I call it speculation- A conclusion, opinion, or theory reached by conjecture.or Reasoning based on inconclusive evidence; conjecture or supposition.

TLAM Strike 03-19-12 10:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Stealhead (Post 1857644)
My speculation that it the attacker/s where possibly right wing was based on the fact that
1) the victims where non-white and non christian
2) the off duty soldiers killed where of North African decent that would make them most likely not whites most likely Arabs and most likely Muslims.

Either of those facts could swing it to a Muslim suspect. There have been incidents of Sunni on Shia on Misc violence in Europe as of late.

Stealhead 03-19-12 10:46 PM

And they could just as likely apply to a right wing extremist as well you can fill in both slots really.Like I said that is my speculation why must everyone point out how I am wrong when I have stated that my posts are my personal speculation saying that it is an islamic extremist is equally speculative is it not?

I seem to recall when the terror attacks in Norway when that thread was new I recall many speculating that is was islamic extremist when it turned out to be a white more than likely crazy Norwegian man with extreme right wing leanings.

Jimbuna 03-20-12 11:40 AM

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Toulouse school killer 'had camera around his neck'


If this is in fact the case he may well be a psycho.

The three ex-soldiers have been cleared of any wrongdoing.

I look at the photos of those three kids near the bottom of the link then pray they get this individal very quickly.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-17445305

Stealhead 03-20-12 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by jimbuna (Post 1857891)

If this is in fact the case he may well be a psycho.

The three ex-soldiers have been cleared of any wrongdoing.

I look at the photos of those three kids near the bottom of the link then pray they get this individal very quickly.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-17445305

It is the really crazy ones that you really just cant do anything to prevent if they have a goal they are going to try and complete it.Hopefully they catch him.

Jimbuna 03-20-12 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Stealhead (Post 1858014)
It is the really crazy ones that you really just cant do anything to prevent if they have a goal they are going to try and complete it.Hopefully they catch him.

Rgr that :yep:

Stealhead 03-21-12 12:36 AM

http://news.yahoo.com/french-police-...042025180.html

Turns it was an AQ follower.

Oberon 03-21-12 12:54 AM

Well, that's what the guy is saying...if he's actually a nutjob right-winger trying to turn the public more against Muslims then that would be a plausible story to give police. We'll see if his story washes with what evidence is found. It wouldn't surprise me if he is an AQ wanna be though.

CCIP 03-21-12 03:51 AM

He is apparently of Algerian origin, so I'm pretty sure he's not a right-winger. I'm still willing to bet he's a wannabe rather than an actual AQ member. For all it's worth, it does not seem like what he did was well-planned or well-concealed. Compare this to Breivik for example, who despite also being an apparent lone gunman had pulled off a far more terrifying plan. However what he's managed to do here is truly disturbing nonetheless - sadly an armed nutjob, even a total amateur, can still cause a lot of grief :down:


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