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August 11-21-11 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Ducimus (Post 1791459)
Heh, I don't. I'd rather we go back to the way we used to do things that made us great... you know... before we started selling ourselves out and CEO's outsourcing US jobs so places like walmart could sell chinese made crap on the cheap. But those days, are long gone, and they ain't ever coming back.

I know it's easier to blame ones troubles on a scapegoat but it's neither accurate or productive.

CEO's don't outsource jobs. CEO's do nothing but what their Board of Directors and company shareholders want them to do. If you want to blame someone for outsourced jobs then blame everyone who demands a return on their stock investments.

We really need to get past this "Eat the Rich" class warfare. We could confiscate the entire personal assets of everyone in the top 1% and it wouldn't even dent the national debt.

That means if we go down that road the 1% is very quickly going to become the top 90%.

See the French revolution. How long did it take for them to go from beheading top level nobility to beheading anyone with something worth stealing?

Ducimus 11-21-11 05:22 PM

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Originally Posted by August (Post 1791472)
I know it's easier to blame ones troubles on a scapegoat but it's neither accurate or productive.

CEO's don't outsource jobs. CEO's do nothing but what their Board of Directors and company shareholders want them to do. If you want to blame someone for outsourced jobs then blame everyone who demands a return on their stock investments.

We really need to get past this "Eat the Rich" class warfare. We could confiscate the entire personal assets of everyone in the top 1% and it wouldn't even dent the national debt.

That means if we go down that road the 1% is very quickly going to become the top 90%.

See the French revolution. How long did it take for them to go from beheading top level nobility to beheading anyone with something worth stealing?

Sorry bud, I'm not buying it. I've seen my own CEO do so much BS, and be so blatant about it, i, more then once, found myself sitting there thinking, "WHo the hell does he think he's fooling!". Or, "Really, REALLY? ".

First, lets start with the stoping of ANY 401K matching. None, at all. Zero, zlitch nada. The reason? "Because nobody else in the industry is doing that anymore". REALLY? Scuse me, but i know of several people that still have 401K matching.

Then lets talk about lack of bonuses. I don't get those anymore. Period. Am I one of those self entitled jerkweeds? No. I haven't gotten a pay raise in 5 freaking years, but I'm fine with that. I understand I've topped out. There is no upward mobility for me. So no, i dont expect any raises anymore.

Oh .. and lets not forget about how this guys personal travel expenses were, the last i heard, costing the company more then it could afford. Gee, I wonder where our bonuses went.... Oh... thats right, Mr High and mighty wanted to fly around in a jet.

Then, lets not forget how he shat on long time employees. Moving the entire HR department to some cubbyhole in the back of the company because he wanted their office. To add one more point to this, nevermind the employee of 8 years getting railroaded out of the company, just so he could bring in his sister in law on the payroll.

Oh and the icing on the cake. MOVING THE ENTIRE FREAKING COMPANY TO BE CLOSER TO HIS HOUSE. That move, cost over a million dollars, and DOUBLED THE COMMUTE of half the rank and file employees. Most of whom have been with the company longer then that CEO has, or ever will be. That commute for many i know is now to the tune of 80 miles round trip now. Personally, i think this move was financed by layoffs, which just happened recently.


So, no, im not buying it. Not for one, fraction of a second.

Armistead 11-21-11 05:57 PM

We use to have laws that dealt with much of the outsourcing of jobs, most undone by the corporate lobby machine and CEO's play a major role.

August probably thinks the min. wage, 40 hour work week, safety standards, etc...should all be done away with, that way when we're in line with China's standards maybe the jobs will come back....

August 11-21-11 06:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Armistead (Post 1791563)
August probably thinks the min. wage, 40 hour work week, safety standards, etc...should all be done away with, that way when we're in line with China's standards maybe the jobs will come back....

You have no clue what I think so i'll thank you to keep your opinions about me to yourself.

August 11-21-11 06:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Ducimus (Post 1791532)
So, no, im not buying it. Not for one, fraction of a second.

Is your company private or public?

If it's the latter then does such waste fly with the stockholders? Why haven't they voted him out?

If it's the former however then you have to realize that the owner gets to do whatever he wants with his company up to and including robbing and starving it out of business.

Either way though your company does not exist to give you a job an human resources a big office. It exists solely to generate profit for the owners.

Ducimus 11-21-11 06:54 PM

I've already said enough. I don't care to say any more. Cause with my luck, what i wrote will come back on me somehow. (I work in Internet Security, you figure the rest out)

And yes, I am aware that Loyalty and Dedication to ones Company/Job, right along with the concept of "Made with Pride in the USA", are more or less dead concepts in today's working world. You'll have to forgive me if i tend to cling tenaciously to old American values.

August 11-21-11 07:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Ducimus (Post 1791588)
I've already said enough. I don't care to say any more.

:salute:


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