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CCIP 11-03-11 02:43 PM

lol

As for Obama, I was tired of all the portrayals of him as either some demi-Jesus of America's Hope on the one hand, or the socialist he-who-must-always-be-named on the other. He's neither, and what I think most people failed to see when he was going in was that he was something far more banal - a fast-dealing Chicago politician. And that is exactly how he's acted in his time in office, no more no less.

JU_88 11-03-11 02:47 PM

Well im not American but if I was, I think the Republicans would actually get my vote if Ron Paul was running, I dont like that hes a pro-lifer, but other than that, the guy makes quite alot of sense to me.
But Id rather have Obama than some moron like Sarah Palin.
But like I said, Im not American - so good luck with it.

AVGWarhawk 11-03-11 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by CCIP (Post 1780020)
lol

As for Obama, I was tired of all the portrayals of him as either some demi-Jesus of America's Hope on the one hand, or the socialist he-who-must-always-be-named on the other. He's neither, and what I think most people failed to see when he was going in was that he was something far more banal - a fast-dealing Chicago politician. And that is exactly how he's acted in his time in office, no more no less.

It will not matter how he portrays himself in the upcoming campaign which he has kicked off. He will not win on merit. He will not win for his current administration. He will not loose to any Republican candidate However, he will win.

AVGWarhawk 11-03-11 03:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JU_88 (Post 1780023)
Well im not American but if I was, I think the Republicans would actually get my vote if Ron Paul was running, I dont like that hes a pro-lifer, but other than that, the guy makes quite alot of sense to me.
But Id rather have Obama than some moron like Sarah Palin.
But like I said, Im not American - so good luck with it.

Ron Paul has no chance.

mapuc 11-03-11 03:45 PM

Please correct me if I'm wrong.

Isn't it indifferent wich president that sit in the white house in the next period?

This coming president have-to say it nicely- a real tuff job to do and he/she have to do something that would make him/her the most hated person in USA.

Raise taxes, cut military costs, cut other things (in wich I can't remember the name)

Markus

Platapus 11-03-11 04:36 PM

Well according to some political theories (which I happen to believe in) in order for Obama to be defeated in the next election two distinct and different circumstances must occur:

1. The voting public must be sufficiently dissatisfied with Obama

and

2. The voting public must be presented with an alternative candidate that offers a significant difference.

Without both of these occurring, the incumbent stands a very good chance of being re-elected.

Consider the 2004 elections. Bush's approval rating was very low and his disapproval rating was high. This satisfied the first requirement.

However, the Democrats, in the form of Kerry, failed to demonstrate that Kerry would be a significant change (improvement). Kerry ran on mostly an "I am not Bush" platform.

Not being the incumbent is rarely enough for the voting public to choose to nor re-elect the incumbent. The result: Bush was re-elected

Fast forward to 2012

Obama's approval rating may be low and his disapproval rating may be high by the time of the elections.

But is the Republican party able to field a candidate that offers the voting public a significant improvement? That is the question that will govern this election. If the Republicans fall into the same trap as the Democrats did in 2004 and run a 2012 candidate on the "I am not Obama" platform, Obama may have a good chance of being re-elected.

Personally, as a Recovering Republican and an Extreme Moderate Independent, I have not seen the GOP satisfy the second part of the theory.....yet.

It is still early and we are still stuck with the seven dwarfs fighting among themselves, but soon the GOP will have to decide on who they want to represent their party in the next election and start building a platform that consists of more than "I am not Obama".

And by soon, I think by the time of the next election which is on Tuesday. :yep:. Republican primaries start in Jan 2012. Not a lot of time!

I will be waiting and watching as I am sure the rest of us will be.

TLAM Strike 11-03-11 05:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mapuc (Post 1780047)
...cut other things (in wich I can't remember the name)

I think the name you are looking for is: "The Bill of Rights".






:O:

1480 11-03-11 05:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Platapus (Post 1780072)
Well according to some political theories (which I happen to believe in) in order for Obama to be defeated in the next election two distinct and different circumstances must occur:

1. The voting public must be sufficiently dissatisfied with Obama

I totally agree with your second premise.

But instead of giving an example, could you define sufficiently dissatisfied.

Not to rip it apart but my definition may be a bit different.

breadcatcher101 11-03-11 05:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JU_88 (Post 1780023)
Well im not American but if I was, I think the Republicans would actually get my vote if Ron Paul was running, I dont like that hes a pro-lifer, but other than that, the guy makes quite alot of sense to me.
But Id rather have Obama than some moron like Sarah Palin.
But like I said, Im not American - so good luck with it.

We have a lot of non-Americans that vote, so please...join the crowd.

AVGWarhawk 11-03-11 07:01 PM

Quote:

Consider the 2004 elections. Bush's approval rating was very low and his disapproval rating was high. This satisfied the first requirement.
Consider a sitting President is not normally voted out office during war. :hmmm:

Platapus 11-03-11 07:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 1480 (Post 1780097)

But instead of giving an example, could you define sufficiently dissatisfied.


If I could define that accurately and predictably, I would not be working at the company I am now in. LoL

Sufficiently dissatisfied is the tricky thing.:yep:

JU_88 11-03-11 07:13 PM

Well who ever wins better start sorting out the Frederal deficit before it breaks America.... and drags the rest of us down with you.
Bush Jr carried out quite a shopping spree and mostly on a chinese tab too. Obama so far has done next to nothing to help the situation!

mapuc 11-03-11 07:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TLAM Strike (Post 1780095)
I think the name you are looking for is: "The Bill of Rights".







:O:


No, it's in the social benefits and hospital.

But thanks anyway.

Markus

mapuc 11-03-11 08:04 PM

Here's a question to you.

Would you like to be the next president for the US??

If you do nothing to the debt and other things-people gonna hate you

If you do something about it and I presume it's some tuff decision you have to make-people gonna hate you.

I would not.

Offcourse the president do not have to do all the job.

Markus

1480 11-03-11 08:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Platapus (Post 1780178)
If I could define that accurately and predictably, I would not be working at the company I am now in. LoL

Sufficiently dissatisfied is the tricky thing.:yep:

Kind of like "reasonable suspicion." :har:

I see the angle you are working and your argument is plausible, more plausible than I have heard by some of the pundits.

The strange part of all of this: as Romney has kept silent this past week, his poll numbers increased. :hmmm:


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