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Platapus 09-22-11 07:14 PM

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An object, in this theory, that accelerates to lightspeed, gains mass
Appears to gain mass. Not gains mass. A significant difference.

It is a perception based on a point of observation. That's what old Bertie was saying. :D

Falkirion 09-22-11 07:57 PM

So they picked up the Millenium Falcon? "She can make 0.5 past lightspeed"

Sorry, couldn't resist. Glad to see that some people aren't taken in by the steaming pile of excrement the press publish and call news

Betonov 09-23-11 01:53 AM

Nothing in the known universe travels faster than light, with the exception of bad news. They follow their own laws of physics

kraznyi_oktjabr 09-23-11 03:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Betonov (Post 1754520)
Nothing in the known universe travels faster than light, with the exception of bad news. They follow their own laws of physics

:haha:

THE_MASK 09-23-11 04:20 AM

Like i told Hawking , you will never find the god particle if you dont take time out of the equation :nope:

Osmium Steele 09-23-11 07:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Tchocky (Post 1754342)
It's emerged that the particles concerned were actually handicapped due to a broken rib, acquired in an impromptu late-night horse race.

Maybe someone rigged them up a handle? :up:

Osmium Steele 09-23-11 07:25 AM

It is well known that neutrinos arrive just before the light from a nova/supernova.

It has always been assumed that dying stars emit the neutrinos just prior to the nova.

Perhaps not.

Interesting.

Diopos 09-23-11 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Skybird (Post 1754429)
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An object, in this theory, that accelerates to lightspeed, gains mass, until at lightspeed it would have gained infinite mass. Which would bring our whole cosmologic model of the universe to a collapse.
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When "toying" around relativistic speeds, it is better to perceive mass as a measure of inetria rather than the amount of substance. Infinite mass means infinite inertia which means that the body offers infinite resistance to the change of its state of motion.

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August 09-23-11 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Osmium Steele (Post 1754613)
Maybe someone rigged them up a handle? :up:


Just make sure you have a supply of chewing gum!

Platapus 09-23-11 05:01 PM

A stick of Beeman's

They will pay you back later.

Skybird 02-22-12 08:24 PM

They say that the universe is saved. The results causing such a sensation last autumn were due to a technical malfunction, or better: a lose cable.

http://newsfeed.time.com/2012/02/22/...duct-of-error/

Should I feel disappointed or relieved now? :DL

u crank 02-22-12 08:28 PM

I know I will sleep much better tonight. :03:

Torplexed 02-22-12 08:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Skybird (Post 1843757)
They say that the universe is saved. The results causing such a sensation last autumn were due to a technical malfunction, or better: a lose cable.

http://newsfeed.time.com/2012/02/22/...duct-of-error/

Should I feel disappointed or relieved now? :DL

I read there's to be a press conference on this tomorrow. I hope they share the "debugging" process that led them to find this, was it just a "hey, let's measure this part" or a methodical approach to verify everything?

In the meantime I guess the greater universe is safe from the depredations of the human race. :O:

NeonSamurai 02-22-12 10:25 PM

Well I for one am sad and disappointed, it is only by refutation (something is proven wrong) that science ever advances. That refutation would have turned physics on its ear and could have been revolutionary. Ah well sooner or later relativity will fall just as every other theory before it did.

One thing you gotta always remember, science is never ever proven right. It can't be. Science is not the truth, it is just our best approximation of what may actually be out there.

magicstix 02-22-12 10:51 PM

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Originally Posted by NeonSamurai (Post 1843804)
Well I for one am sad and disappointed, it is only by refutation (something is proven wrong) that science ever advances. That refutation would have turned physics on its ear and could have been revolutionary. Ah well sooner or later relativity will fall just as every other theory before it did.

One thing you gotta always remember, science is never ever proven right. It can't be. Science is not the truth, it is just our best approximation of what may actually be out there.

If there's one thing history has shown us, it's that nature abhors infinities. When you find one, invariably it means the math is incomplete and or wrong. The light speed barrier is probably one such infinity.

If you take the equations for pressure in air as a function of speed, they hit infinity at the speed of sound (with the added prediction that your doppler leads you to travel *backwards* in time), so it should thus be impossible to exceed the speed of sound. However, this of course isn't the case; it's just another situation where the math is wrong.


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