There's no self-defence in our laws. You kill someone because he tried to kill you, you're going to be trialed for murder. But then again, subduing someone with a paintball gun means he'll probably sue you :hmmm:

You have good points aside from one thing.

As a matter of choice? Some may not want, or can not own, what We in the U.S.A. may have access to.
A good PaintBall Gun with the proper 'loads' can be a perfect Home defense Weapon for those that can not or will not have a 'Real' Gun.

If you think of the way it could be used?
It may be the perfect Home Defense Weapon!

As We could make our own loads?
Round 1 is a liquid Pepper spray.
Round 2 is a Solid round or two part chemical explosive.
Round 3 is a split container that causes a Glow or light stick once it combines.

Given you could then combine those Rounds to best effect?
:o
I may just patent this whole thing!

might backfire if you're too close

Maybe.
But I think I would be willing to take that chance with a paintball option
If I could not have a real fire arm.

If your invader is that close anyway?
No rifle shaped weapon is good.
You'd want a side arm such as a 9MM Browning or whatever one prefers.
At that range? I prefer a good sharp custom made fighting knife.

Privateer - you are right when it comes to the perspective. Being in the US, my brain thinks along the lines of our laws. It defies logic in my mind that people do not have the right to self defense, though I know that it is true in places.

Thanks for pointing that out!

what about one of those semi auto saiga 12 gauge AK shotguns? you can't get any more reliable than an ak action.

Well that's the difference, of being a citizen or being a subject . A subject is just subjected to stupid sh_t and the wims of their leaders, as a american I believe god created man and Samuel Colt made us equal. You can either defend yourself or be preyed upon, by criminals or your leaders. I prefer the Ithaca model 37 feather light 12, put a slug through a deers heart at 90 yards and it was tastey.

My neighbor who is a Nam vet is selling me his Siaga 12 for $600

He helped me build my AK-74 so we had allot of Kalishnikov conversations and he wants it to go to somebody who will appreciate it.

:rock:

Urban survival suggests something a little different than home defense.

August, I'll take one of those too and I've got your back. :yep:

Any Ar-15 variant will do fine just get yourself some heavier rounds like the Black Hills 77 grain I read in a book interviewing US Army and Marine snipers and they said that they loved the .77 grain rounds so much that they where using heavy barreled as well as standard rack barreled M-4/16s and getting one hit kills out to 700 meters with an ACOG.

One guy talked to the head doctor at a near by medical unit who had examined an insurgent body the guy had taken a hit form the green tip 62 grain 5.56 round and of course it went right through him doing little to stop him then the sniper popped him with an M-4 loaded with 77 grain rounds one shot.The doc said nice kill with your M24(7.62x51mm in this snipers case) the sniper told the doc that it was a 77 grain 5.56 rond fired from a regular M-4.Impressive I'd say for an experienced surgeon to mistake the wound to have been caused by a much larger round.

In other words have a good weapon train yourself in its use and load it with rounds that are effective.If you are talking survival you are going to need a long gun an assault rifle a shot gun and a pistola.Shot guns are good but they are a liability out side there range what if the other guy has a rifle and is over 40 yards away?

I want one of these. Automatic shotgun that fires 12 gauge anything, 20 round barrel mag, and even has grenade rounds accurate to 175m.

http://www.metacafe.com/watch/306062...matic_shotgun/

You need to remember that survival will mainly hinge on avoiding fights. Engaging opponents at range is not conducive to that goal. Better to stay under cover and blow their heads off if they come too close.

Rules of engagement with a shot gun, slugs are accurate up to a 100yards, anything within 35 yards start with the oo buck, 4s, bbs, and the flechettes nails with tails, you all thought I was crazy too find out that you can pack 25 of those little buggers into a shot shell. As a kid I went to turkey shoots with my dad and we fired shotguns with slugs at targets at 65 yards away with a 2inch bulls eye, closest to the bull wins I could cut black at rest with iron sights, my best day at the age of 16 was 2 turkeys, out of 22 shooters. Up till a couple of years ago shotguns and slugs were the only thing you could deer hunt with, where I'm from, and I got my fare share.

Just picked up an 870 today. :yeah:

QFT!!

Ours is a sawed-off, to shortest legal length, 16 gauge pump. The whole family is proficient with it and knows where it is stored. Ammo is getting to be a problem now, though. Getting hard to find.

When the kids are all out, I'll probably switch to a 12 gauge.