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Oberon

08-11-11 02:32 PM

C'est la economy

Diopos

08-11-11 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Bubblehead1980 (Post 1725975)

China claims a sovereign nation(Taiwan) as it's own and will no doubt try to take it back if/when they feel they can get away with.China is emboldened by their prosperity(sadly fueled by the US) and has no legitimate reason to build up it's military as it is doing, other than those pulling the strings in that nation plan on trying assert power in the region down the road, fueling another cold war that could get hot times.The sad irony of it, US lives will prob be lost to equipment paid for with money paid to China by the US.Damn Nixon for even visiting, damn Clinton for his involvement, should have kept these people in the dark ages for as long as possible, that's how you prevent a war, well one that will cost much anyway.

China does not need CVs to deal with Taiwan it is too close to the mainland. A "prosperous" China has much to lose in case of a war.

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Oberon

08-11-11 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Diopos (Post 1726020)

China does not need CVs to deal with Taiwan it is too close to the mainland. A "prosperous" China has much to lose in case of a war.

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This is true, a good deal of the PRC trade is between Taiwan and the mainland. War is not in the PRCs best interest, particularly not a protracted war which it would be at the moment. So, I believe the latest estimate put it at about 2018 before the PRC will be at a technological parity with the forces on Taiwan and/or have enough forces to be able to withstand attrition rates. Even with a short war though Taiwan will fight like a tiger and PRC losses will be high, and more importantly for the PRC, the infrastructure of Taiwan will be badly damaged which will screw up their trade. The stock markets in Asia will go mental, and there is a risk of a conflict with the United States of America depending on who is in charge and what their approach to the Taiwan question is, so all in all it just isn't worth it for them.

Jimbuna

08-11-11 05:51 PM

Agreed...good assessment :yep:

Molon Labe

08-12-11 08:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Bubblehead1980 (Post 1725975)

China is emboldened by their prosperity(sadly fueled by the US) and has no legitimate reason to build up it's military as it is doing, other than those pulling the strings in that nation plan on trying assert power in the region down the road, fueling another cold war that could get hot times.

China has a rapidly growing economy that requires massive amounts of oil and raw materials to support. That means they need access to the Sea Lanes of Communication and is a very legitimate reason to build up a powerful navy; it's the same reason we have one.

Bubblehead1980

08-12-11 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Diopos (Post 1726020)

China does not need CVs to deal with Taiwan it is too close to the mainland. A "prosperous" China has much to lose in case of a war.

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No, but they need one to project power and it's the basis for building a powerful fleet than can do so in the future.

TLAM Strike

08-12-11 07:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Molon Labe (Post 1726540)

And the Kuznetsov class carriers are (surprisingly given their designer) perfect for that role. They carry a moderate number of high grade fighters, a better than average number of ASW helis and a standard complement of AEW aircraft. Just about what any country would need to keep the average 'stan in line.

Jimbuna

08-13-11 03:31 PM

I'm honestly not convinced they've chosen the right platform unless it is directed solely at third world countries :hmmm:

TLAM Strike

08-13-11 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by jimbuna (Post 1727321)

I'm honestly not convinced they've chosen the right platform unless it is directed solely at third world countries :hmmm:

Most of the planet is 3rd world countries.

But this carrier "tops" their neighbor's carriers (India, S. Korea, Japan.)

Jimbuna

08-14-11 05:56 AM

Well it certainly tops ours as well :oops:

kraznyi_oktjabr

08-14-11 07:08 AM

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Originally Posted by jimbuna (Post 1727597)

Well it certainly tops ours as well :oops:

:haha: It will be interesting to compare British and Chinese aircraft carriers when both commission their newest classes. Btw if currently speculative information in Wikipedia proves to be correct then China gets its carriers operational faster than Britons - 2015 vs. 2020. :o

TLAM Strike

08-14-11 09:22 AM

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Originally Posted by jimbuna (Post 1727597)

Well it certainly tops ours as well :oops:

Dont feel so bad...

...back when you had them everyone's topped yours anyways...

...except maybe Italy's...

:O:

Oberon

08-14-11 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by TLAM Strike (Post 1727700)

Dont feel so bad...

...back when you had them everyone's topped yours anyways...

...except maybe Italy's...

:O:

http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:A...BugwM7UWtnk6wf

TLAM Strike

08-14-11 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Oberon (Post 1727726)

http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:A...BugwM7UWtnk6wf

I wasn't even talking WWII, I meant last year when you had them! :har:

Oberon

08-14-11 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by TLAM Strike (Post 1727732)

I wasn't even talking WWII, I meant last year when you had them! :har:

We had carriers? :o Next you'll be telling me that we had aircraft for them too! :nope:

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