Sometimes over-compromising completely destroys the original intent of legislation. Lines become muddled as well as logic. The Dream Act is nothing but muddled nonsense for a vote in the future and defies logic on many levels. There needs to be clear cut ideal and direction when it comes to certain issues. One being illegal immigration(undocumented persons :doh:). There is none. It's a free for all. People look for direction. Certain parties provide that direction to certain individuals. Eventually like minds flock together. This creates the great divide in parties.

Illegal immigration is a poor example of compromises's either for or against the theme. Illegal immigration continues to be a problem because chickens**t politicians are afraid of making a stand on the issue for fear of being voted out of office. Decades of unchecked border hopping and anchor babies have produced a large hispanic vote that can't be ignored now, on top of that you have special interest groups with whatever motives they have.

That's not compromise, or lack there of, that's someone holding puppet strings to make our system do what they want it to do. Until we have politicans who aren't afraid to lose those votes, illegal immigration will continue to be a problem. A problem that gets bigger and bigger with each passing year. Eventually, the problem will become too big to surmount. In california, this is already the case. Illegal immigration there is a dead issue, it's too late for them now.

It is a good example. The bleading hearts want amnesty. Grant them everything for nothing. The right loon wants to round them up and dump them back over the fence. IMO there is a clear line that divides. To further that notion look at what Arizona has done and is doing. Sue the government for failing to protect the borders. It has polarized groups into different camps. When Obama decides to take a look at immigration reform the country will polarize more. Personally, addressing immigration is toxic to any group of people or the individual running the country. Crap like the Dream Act divide. It did here in MD when rammed up our arses and signed into law. Signatures were gotten to get the Dream Act on the ballot so the citizens can vote. The signatures were gotten in droves. California needs to do the same. It is never over because there are parties of folks that are polarized on issues like immigration.

There's the problem with the system right there. Politicians don't take a stand for what they believe in, they take a stand for what will get them votes. Career politicians need to be removed from the system.

In the article the very first problem stated is redistricting. This is done for votes. It happened in my own county. Draw the line on the map bit different for the district and all of a sudden there are 20000 more votes for that candidate. It is the oldest trick in the book. It's a game of votes and keeping a job. It is power. It is having people stand up when they enter the room(not sure why...these idiots work for me). It's the benefits and perks. In short, life is damn cushy for those in these positions.

This is exactly where a compromise would come in. Don't give them everything for nothing, and don't round them up and dump them back over the fence. Unfortunately, a certain segment of the population has the idea that compromise is failure in politics.

Compromise, as we know it, is not failure. It takes a little to get a little as it were. We can only hope the segment who see compromise as a failure is insignificant.

While im sure everyone here on the general forum think's im some bleeding heart liberal though i maintain to be neither extreme, immigration is one of those issues where you can count me amongst the right wing loony bin. If i had my way, the southern border would look like the Korean DMZ.


Good point.


Illegal immigration is one of those issues where i don't see how compromise applies. In my mind, Illegal immigration is nothing short of an invasion of foreign nationals that compromises the Sovereignty of our country. However, between American's, be they left or right, i'm all in support of finding the middle road. Regardless of political belief's, its our country, we should act like it.

I'm in the bin with you. Enough is enough. When my kids could possibly have any type of financial assistance offered for college as a result of doing well in school jeopardized by illegals then I take great issue with the problem. Therefore, both my wife and I signed the petition to put the new passed Dream Act bill on the ballot letting the citizen decide. There is great unrest in MD with this bill and getting the correct amount of signature to have it entered on to the ballot was obtained.

My talking exactly. And truer not on ly in the US, but all Western nations and the EU. Career politicians are by definition in a conflict of interest over their courses.

Since I admitted to myself that I have understood that some years ago, I have relativised the value of democracy in my personal value system tremendously.

It is meant well, but all ideas to im0plement the well-meant idea in praqctice so far have showed to mess up the very idea, in the end. In ancient Athen they were evn so desperate that they did not vote sanymore, but had lotteries to bring people into offices. But even random chance as a prinmciple did not battle corruption. Instead many people rwalised they were noit fit to run offices, and accepoted offers of wannabe poltiicans to hire these and let them run the office obligations. Which of course again gave birth to a caste of corrupt career politicians - this time corrupt poltiicians who became corrupted by even legal means! And since we have found out that we cannot really vote unwanted names out of influence and office, but that these nasmes who get kicked tend to reappear in another office some time later, maybe even falling the ladder upwards, the argument that we could at least get rid of bad guys by voting them out of office, is convincing only if you are pretty much naive and shy away from the grim conclusions about how it really is. That said poltiicans are given the power to even tailor the system to protect them and serve their interests to put themselves out of reach for legislation or the ordinary electorate, does not help to improve things, of course.