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yubba 07-24-11 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by kraznyi_oktjabr (Post 1711890)
If I read article correctly this so called 'super congress' proposal comes from Dem. and Rep. Senate leaders - not from His Majesty.

Well we don't know that his Majesty, wasn't whispering in their ear, " you know what would be a better idea than the gang of six", sounds pretty sick to me, and yes, I like the monkey flippin a coin better, and yes I thought that idea up all on my own, and at no time was a crayon indangered:O:

Sailor Steve 07-24-11 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Bubblehead1980 (Post 1711793)
Wow, we need to throw these SOB's out quickly.They obviously think they are someone special to do such a thing that is not constitutional.Reading this just makes me :damn:

I agree, but how is it not Constitutional?
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The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States.
There is nothing that regulates how they do it.

What makes me nervous is the "Six members from each Party" part. The parties are not part of government makeup and are not provided for in the Constitution. While they are part of our lives they are not part of the government. This should be non-partisan. On the other hand since the two parties in power are the ones at each others' throats perhaps this is the only way to organize it.

Sailor Steve 07-24-11 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by ZeeWolf (Post 1711847)
intrust

The word is "interest"

krashkart 07-24-11 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Sailor Steve (Post 1711910)
The word is "interest"


I had thought about pointing that out m'self, but I didn't want to steal yer thunder. :yep:

Also, it might have resulted in my eyebrows nitting themselves together. :smug:

ZeeWolf 07-24-11 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Sailor Steve (Post 1711910)
The word is "interest"

Thanks SS, I fixed it. I've been working with code since early morning (c++ and jave) - all morning.

ZeeWolf

TorpX 07-24-11 02:53 PM

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...isn't mentioned anywhere in the Constitution
FAIL

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...would be granted extraordinary new powers.
FAIL

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-- would then be fast-tracked through both chambers...
FAIL

:down:

I see nothing good about this. Another scheme to ram through something that could never pass on it's own. More sneaky deals. Anything to avoid taking responsibility, I guess.

More and more, I think this might require a temporary default. The President (and many in congress) seem unable or unwilling to deal with the issue. Another election and another President may be neccessary to solve this.

I suppose there will be some kind of face-saving nonsense compromise, where the can will be kicked down the road... (again).


yubba 07-24-11 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by krashkart (Post 1711925)
I had thought about pointing that out m'self, but I didn't want to steal yer thunder. :yep:

Also, it might have resulted in my eyebrows nitting themselves together. :smug:

Me too, but I'm not picky as most {bet you thought I was going to say ana what nice weather we are having } voices say time clean the knifes and and sharpen the guns

Rockstar 07-24-11 06:40 PM

only slightly faster than a sloth, more powerful than the constitution, able to leap over the Executive, Legislative and Judicial branches of government in a single bound.

Super Congress awaaaaay!

http://www.coverbrowser.com/image/superman/221-1.jpg

Well maybe not :D


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Bubblehead1980 07-24-11 07:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Sailor Steve (Post 1711909)
I agree, but how is it not Constitutional?

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Reportedly the Super Congress would have powers not present in the Constitution.The fact the only states represented in the drafting/debate of a law would be those who's Senator/Rep happen to be in this "Super Congress."The Constitution set up our government the way it is so all states were represented.Sure they will claim "well they still get to vote etc" but essentially only 12 people would have any say in whats in a law etc it's just pure crap.That much power is not supposed to be in the hands of so few.This is not represenative government.

I am not surprised a deranged little fool like Harry Reid would come up with this.I am somewhat surprised McConnell would sign on to this.I think McConnell is an idiot but never saw him as a bad guy or a threat in the way the Pelosi, Obama, Reid, etc are but now it is very apparent what a danger he is.


This in a way reminds me of Roosevelt's attempted court packing plan in the 30's.Roosevelt could not get his way via legit means because the court found many of his new deal policies to be unconstitutional(they were) so he tried to alter the court.The plan failed because it was crap.Sadly, he was able to intimidate some of the justices(JusticeOwen roberts for example) to ignore their constitutional principles and rule in favor of his garbage.Same thing here, they can't get their debt BS through because of principled people who were elected in November.People like Rubio and Rand Paul and the freshman Reps in the house who won't settle for a ridiculous tax hike or bs spending cuts "over the long term" so they are trying to bypass the constitution and set their own rules.

I will be shocked if they are actually able to do this but with people like Obama, Reid and McConnell up there, who knows.Perhaps SCOTUS will be the savior of the Republic, we shall see.

mookiemookie 07-24-11 07:22 PM

Way too much concentrated power. I don't like this idea at all.

Armistead 07-24-11 07:29 PM

Time to stockpile some more ammo and can goods.

yubba 07-24-11 07:40 PM

Don't forget the water, you are dead in less than 10 days without it. I find, rice an kippers with coconut milk is a mighty fine ration, when your out revolutioning, and don't forget your rubbers. Why is it I get the feeling that I'm not in the land of the free anymore. Why is it I feel the Stalinistic boot stepping down on my neck. Why hasn't anybody called back these repersenitves, to their district offices and hold their feet to the fire till they decide to repersent us, I think standing around those offices with pitch forks an torches, with buckets of tar an bags of feathers would send a good messeage to these no accounts.

Sailor Steve 07-24-11 07:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Bubblehead1980 (Post 1712159)
Reportedly the Super Congress would have powers not present in the Constitution.The fact the only states represented in the drafting/debate of a law would be those who's Senator/Rep happen to be in this "Super Congress."The Constitution set up our government the way it is so all states were represented.Sure they will claim "well they still get to vote etc" but essentially only 12 people would have any say in whats in a law etc it's just pure crap.That much power is not supposed to be in the hands of so few.This is not represenative government.

I agree, but unfortunately the Constitution does not specify how the job is to be done. They're pretty much free to do what they want in that regard. They already have many committees who arrange things that are tacitly voted on. The States are hardly ever all represented. I do agree there is a problem with it, and I'm hoping someone will come up with a way to keep it from happening, but I'm not hopeful.

You bring up Roosevelt's attempt to pack the Supreme Court, and again you are mistaken. Not wrong, but mistaken. Reread the Constitution if you must (and I think you should). There is nothing there concerning the number of justices, and they are appointed by the President, subject to the approval of Congress. That's it. I agree Roosevelt was wrong, but his move was not Unconstitutional.

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Originally Posted by mookiemookie
Way too much concentrated power. I don't like this idea at all.

Nor do I, but all we lowly serfs can do is wait and hope, and see what happens next.

Anthony W. 07-24-11 08:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Armistead (Post 1712181)
Time to stockpile some more ammo and can goods.

I'm waaaay ahead of you.

Seriously, we the free people of America have nowhere left to go unless the South succeeds again.

Personally, barring the whole slavery thing, I wish the South would've won in the first place.

To Alabama?

gimpy117 07-24-11 10:09 PM

it's sad we even have to consider this because nobody can compromise. Everyone says i finger point...so I might as well do it here.

why is a compromise not happening? Taxes. The whole "no new revenue" business as far as i know. So even though democrats are are giving in the form of cuts, republicans still don't want to give up things like the bush tax cuts to help balance the budget. Something i think is the main problem and is wrong


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