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Armistead 04-22-11 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by mookiemookie (Post 1648675)
He also said "peace, commerce, and honest friendship with all nations, entangling alliances with none."

and it was also Eisenhower who warned us of the Military Industrial Complex. Shame we don't listen.


Eisenhower was smart, he saw where the war machine was heading...Course greed comes first.

gimpy117 04-22-11 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Armistead (Post 1648695)
Eisenhower was smart, he saw where the war machine was heading...Course greed comes first.

well that and the fact that the american people don't ever want a war that costs anything in a human toll. So it's spend spend spend so nobody had to bat an eye like they did in Vietnam over the american boys who died for unclear reasons.

yubba 04-22-11 12:40 PM

So did the S and P fire a warning shot across the bow of the U.S.S Unsubstainable, as she plows through the sea of red ink toward the rocks of bankruptcy ??????:woot::hmmm:

mookiemookie 04-22-11 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by yubba (Post 1648737)
So did the S and P fire a warning shot across the bow of the U.S.S Unsubstainable, as she plows through the sea of red ink toward the rocks of bankruptcy ??????:woot::hmmm:

Who cares what the incompetent and corrupt crooks at S&P have to say?

Armistead 04-22-11 01:00 PM

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Originally Posted by gimpy117 (Post 1648699)
well that and the fact that the american people don't ever want a war that costs anything in a human toll. So it's spend spend spend so nobody had to bat an eye like they did in Vietnam over the american boys who died for unclear reasons.

It's not so much about our human toll, the use of iron bombs blasting civilians is a thing of the past, now that we have such media coverage.
For our government to fight limited wars for profit, they have to be careful with the loss of troops so they can continue.

Growler 04-22-11 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Armistead (Post 1648751)
For our government to fight limited wars for profit, they have to be careful with the loss of troops so they can continue.

Yeah, cause if they're not, we'll just...

well, we'll tell...

... well...


It's not like the government is all that accountable to the public anymore.

Schroeder 04-22-11 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Armistead (Post 1648751)
It's not so much about our human toll, the use of iron bombs blasting civilians is a thing of the past, now that we have such media coverage.

Sorry for the OT but:
Talking of media coverage and bombs, has the coverage of the air strikes on Libya also ceased to exist in the US? Here in Germany you see no footage whatsoever of the planes. All you get is funerals for dead rebels and wounded civilians but nothing from our side. Almost as if Nato had ordered a news blockade. :hmm2:

TorpX 04-22-11 07:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Armistead (Post 1648659)
Just think, the failed wars with interest will amount to about 2T. We'll be paying interest on the wars for 30 years. Add to that the military budget for our over 700 bases...whew.

Wars end...........................Entitlements never do.

Skybird 04-22-11 08:15 PM

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Originally Posted by mookiemookie (Post 1648747)
Who cares what the incompetent and corrupt crooks at S&P have to say?

The system - because it's designed to do that. Call it for facts or just for psychology - the outcome is the same.

America did not complain about its rating agencies when the spelled doom over other countries. So why now? Because this time one is sitting at the receiving end of the line?

Skybird 04-22-11 08:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Schroeder (Post 1648828)
Sorry for the OT but:
Talking of media coverage and bombs, has the coverage of the air strikes on Libya also ceased to exist in the US? Here in Germany you see no footage whatsoever of the planes. All you get is funerals for dead rebels and wounded civilians but nothing from our side. Almost as if Nato had ordered a news blockade. :hmm2:

Or the German government has ordered a blockade of the media - to get its own egg-dance out of the public's attention focus.

TorpX 04-23-11 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Schroeder (Post 1648828)
Sorry for the OT but:
Talking of media coverage and bombs, has the coverage of the air strikes on Libya also ceased to exist in the US? Here in Germany you see no footage whatsoever of the planes. All you get is funerals for dead rebels and wounded civilians but nothing from our side. Almost as if Nato had ordered a news blockade. :hmm2:

I've seen very little coverage of Libya lately. Our media has a very short attention span and since there is nothing the Obama administration can take credit for, they have no desire to cover it.

Armistead 04-23-11 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by TorpX (Post 1649000)
Wars end...........................Entitlements never do.

Since when, we've been in wars and conflicts almost non stop for the last 50 years and looks like it's gonna get worse.

mookiemookie 04-23-11 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Skybird (Post 1649012)
The system - because it's designed to do that. Call it for facts or just for psychology - the outcome is the same.

America did not complain about its rating agencies when the spelled doom over other countries. So why now? Because this time one is sitting at the receiving end of the line?

S&P received a lot of money to rate junk paper as "AAA" and thus contributed to the financial crisis. S&P executives should have been led out of their offices in handcuffs. They have lost all credibility. Only a fool would place any faith in their analysis of America or any other country.

That's separate from the issue of America's debt crisis. That's real. But S&P are a bunch of criminals and idiots.

Armistead 04-23-11 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by mookiemookie (Post 1649424)
S&P received a lot of money to rate junk paper as "AAA" and thus contributed to the financial crisis. S&P executives should have been led out of their offices in handcuffs. They have lost all credibility. Only a fool would place any faith in their analysis of America or any other country.

That's separate from the issue of America's debt crisis. That's real. But S&P are a bunch of criminals and idiots.

Isn't it strange, the same people that created the mess are the same ones saying it's getting better and the same in charge of fixing it.

kraznyi_oktjabr 04-25-11 11:11 AM

It's true that China benefits greatly from U.S. as export market and therefore have incentive to keep it going which means buying U.S. bonds. However China as everybody else (at my knowledge) do not have endless cash reserves. Before or later it just simply do not have money to buy bonds.

I believe that China can't accept situation where it's unable to pay to it's soldiers and buy enough 7.62mm rounds for "national security" purposes.

I don't know what will happen when China stops buying. Will American economy simply collapse? Will someone else fund American spending parties?


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