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Thanks for adding something insignificant and immature to what was, for a short time, a legitimate discussion.

The swing away from McCain and the reasons for it are pretty old news since the day he got that dumb hick put on his ticket, the fact that Bubble doesn't understand it are just because he can't understand things.
Though I did like her statements about "knuckle draggers" who had the front to bring up the very reasons about her suitability as she herself gave

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Originally Posted by Ducimus (Post 1596044)

That would be my usual assumption. Presidents tend to serve two terms. I think people vote for what they know, or vote for the known evil. This time however, i really don't know. Republicans HATE this president. Not just because he's a democrat they love to label as a commie socalist, but I think the race card does come into play here, only nobody's wants to admit it.

I can't speak for every voter, but I don't hate the president. I do however, hate his policies and agenda. That has nothing to do with race. If I had a problem with race, I wouldn't have voted for Alan Keyes in 96 and 2000 primaries. Why would I be torn between Newt and Herman Cain?

Sorry, but it seems like anytime someone "doesn't like" the President's policies, its really because they must be some secret KKK member or wannabe.

There are plenty of reasons not to like the way this President has performed (or failed to perform), and plenty of reasons not to like the direction he and the left have moved forward. Playing the "its all because people are secretly racist" is merely a way to marginalize any opposition without having to take it on directly.

BTW - I do suggest anyone interested in a good candidate for president look into Herman Cain. I don't agree with him on everything by any means (mainly his stimulus and affirmative action stances), but his real world economics, support of the gold standard, moral stances and downright refreshing honesty make him a contender in my view. The guy calls a spade a spade, whether you or I or anyone else likes it. I respect that.

I was on the fence. I voted for Bush Sr., Clinton both times and GW one time.

I was on the fence. It was obvious Obama got in due to a Bush backlash.
The GOP had control for most those years, so let's not talk about the big mess were in.

McCain lost me with Palin. It was obvious it wasn't a thought out move to take someone you don't know. I would vote for Obama over her dumb arse any day. I preferred Hillary that election.
Hoped she would go center like her husband.

Both parties have ruined this nation with spending, wars, nation building, ect. Nothing done about illegals, no energy policy, ect...The GOP more worried about social issues and supporting corporations, the Dems want to
spread the wealth, not by correct regulation, but just take from one to give to the other.

They all sell out, why this nation is ruined. They still feed us lies, like it's getting better, it's not.

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Originally Posted by Platapus (Post 1596443)

Steve, but none of them other than Bush I had a lot of national history. Of course they all had state history.

That was my point.

But they all had leadership experience to differing degrees. Sorry, but I think career politicians are the worst thing for the country.

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Originally Posted by Takeda Shingen (Post 1596525)

I was a McCain voter before Palin came along. Afterwards, I stayed home on election day. Likewise, if Palin is the best that the GOP has to show in this next cycle, I'll be saving my vote again.

I can respect that I guess, Palin is :har::damn:

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Originally Posted by Platapus (Post 1596526)

I did not think McCain would have been able to handle the issues any better than Obama and may have handled them worse (we will never know for sure). McCain is not exactly been a shaker and a mover in the GOP. I feared that with McCain we would have a president that both parties would not deal with.

My honest feeling is that the GOP did not expect to win in 2008 concerning the nation's feelings and opinions of Bush. I think McCain was thrown in there as a token GOP candidate with the expectation that in 2012 the GOP would make a stronger run for office. I think McCain was a throw away candidate.

And then there were the concerns I had for McCain's health. The job of POTUS is a killer. Look at pictures of recent presidents going into and out of office. That position ages a man far more than the 4/8 years he is in office. With a decent VP to take over, this can be an acceptable risk. In my opinion, having Palin one heartbeat from the Presidency was not a good risk.

Honestly, if McCain had selected a better VP, I might have voted for him. But, as far as my voting, he choose unwisely. His selection of Palin was what put me over the edge vote wise.

Voting for Obama was the lessor of two risky choices. I refuse not to vote. And unfortunately voting for a candidate of the minor political parties won't accomplish much in our two party system. One of these days I wish I would have an opportunity to vote FOR a candidate. In the last bunch of elections, I have not had this opportunity.

And no, I am not happy about it.

Anyway, you asked why I voted "not-McCain" in the election. That's why.

Thanks for explaining, I understand.I suspect many people, most likely the people who pushed barry o over the limit were in your position.McCain could have beat Obama if he hammered on all the stuff that would turn most rational people away but he refused to until the very end.The Wright, Ayers, Davis thing, his backround and religion, his efforts to hide his college transcripts and thesis along with his own words from his book, could have pretty easily beat obama down with all that but refused to really.I didn't see many Wright commercials until the very end when it was too late.

McCain had a thing about "negative" campaigning, prob since he was a victim of true negative campaigning in 2000 primaries in SC by the Bush team, it cost McCain the nomination.The difference is it would all be true against obama, just putting the facts out.Not true McCain had an out of wedlock half black/white child as they claimed in SC.McCain's adopted daughter is from India I believe, but someoutside group(most likely connected to Karl Rove) claimed otherwise, which cost McCain the SC primary.I believe that is how it went down, been a long time ago.

Even with his flaws and Caribou Barbir as VP, safer bet than Barry O.

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Originally Posted by Tribesman (Post 1596535)

Bubble has never written truer words:up:

oh tribes you little troll.Good job taking a line out of statement out of context, you took it from a legit discussion to crap.One day I think I will put you on ignore but then again, I kind of enjoy watching you act like a petty little fool.Noticed you never can argue a point, you just fly into personal insults that make no sense.I disagree with you and usually explain how things are, then you fly into insults trying to paint me as not so intelligent etc Typical tactic of the left.sad, really because it shows your lack of intellect.Just another idiotic lefty....

Plat explained in a later statement why he made such a tough decision to vote for barry o, I disagree but understand.

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Good job taking a line out of statement out of context

Indeed, it had to be taken out of context for it to make sense.

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Noticed you never can argue a counter point, you just fly into personal insults.

The counter point is provided by yourself.

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Plat explain in a later statement why he made such a tough decision to vote for barry o, I disagree but understand.

Your response showed how little you understood, in fact your response showed how difficult it is for you to see anything at all in relation to politics let alone understand it.