Okay CapnScurvy. I think I get what you're pointing out. Just trying to catch the structure here between the 3 files, and I can see the date issue you're speaking of.

So, ummmmmmmm, if I'm understanding this, the earlier boats and later boats should reflect the dates as you have them in your corrected Gato files. (?) As this is then tied in to the main UpgradePacks.upc file. And since the main upgradepacks.upc file is generic between the different classes of boats, they all need to reflect this in their individual NSS files i.e. Gato.sns, and NSS_Gato.upc files.

If I missed anything, please bear with me, as I'm grasping how this 3 way structure interacts. Thanks! :up:

That's excellent news about the "Optical Targeting Correction" mod CapnScurvy :salute:

Hylander_1314, I edited the previous post to show both stock and a "correct" version of the three files for the Gato class sub. I should have done that yesterday so one can see more easily what needs to be changed. Really, the Gato may have been a bad example since the changes are minor and the specific dates for the ST radar (although wrong) may have no effect if the Gato doesn't get the ST upgrade anyway.

You mentioned the S class subs. Here are the three files for the stock S18.

http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w...tockSclass.jpg

Notice the Purple highlighted date, the .sns file says the SJ radar (R01) "null" (unavailable) ends on July 5, 1942 but the StartDate for the SJ radar isn't until Sept. 5, 1942. In my opinion this throws the game date structure into a tail spin with the dates being out of sequence. To follow over to the next file, the NSS_S18.upc start date (in yellow) is July 6,1942. This follows in sequence the .sns file EndDate of July 5,1942. So, in the image below (these are my correct files) you will see my correction for this was to make the .sns file read the SJ radar StartDate as July 6,1942 not Sept 5,1942.


http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w...e/MySclass.jpg

You may also notice the Purple [Sensor 9] entry is completely new for the NSS_S18.sns file. This is an SD (R02) entry for the use of air search radar. I don't know why it was neglected for both S18 and the S42 boats but I felt it should have it in there. It has to do will the "null" parameter but as I look at other boats or specific equipment entries I don't understand why it isn't there. Although, (I'm thinking out loud now) this may explain why there isn't an UpGradePacks.upc entry for the SD radar for the S class. The other two files put the SD onto the S class boats automatically on April 1, 1942 and there was no need to have an "offer" of an upgrade to it. I don't know if this entry will hurt anything or not, just have to run the game using the S class changes up the to April date to see.

The point is there are problems with the dates, just how far do we have to go to have them work as expected isn't known yet for all boats.

As a follow up on the question: Does the S class get its SD radar on or after April 1, 1942? I started a new career from Manila, Dec. 1941. No SD or SJ radar offered (as expected). With several completed assignments and enemy ship sinkings, I finished the patrol just after April 1942. Upon starting my next mission SD was offered as an upgrade, zero renown as the cost. I moved it over to the "On Boat" menu and I have SD as expected when I left Brisbane.

So the answer is yes, SD radar after April 1 1942. It wasn't automatic, I had to put it onto the boat while in port using the upgrade menu screen. I'll plug on and see if I'm offered SJ radar after the July 6,1942 date.

Okay! Cool! I think I'm actually getting it!

I'm going to try to tweak the other boats that have SJ Radar to reflect the proper dates, and see if that corrects anything or not. It will take a bit of time to test it, as I now have it on my Sargo boat, and it was offerred at the beginning of July, and I had no issues with it showing up on the boat after adding it to the "on boat" slot.

So, from what I can gather, if the other boats reflect the same date structure, then there should be no issues with SJ Radar being offerred, even after and upgrade to a newer boat, as long as you have the renown to purchase it, you should be able then, to add it to your boat.

But as you said, we will have to see how far we have to go to get it to work as expected, or as it should.

I'll keep you posted as to how it goes.

Thanks for your efforts! :rock:

I play a RFB/RSRDC combo. At PH, the "Gato" class is offered the SJ radar as an upgrade starting Aug. 4, 42 and as standard equipment starting on Dec. 1, 42.

In RL, the first boat to carry a SJ radar was the USS Haddock, a "Gato" class that sailed from PH on july 28, 42. It carried the radar to test it out and it was first used in combat on the night of aug. 13-14. The set itself was out of commission or calibration during most of the patrol.

so in RFB/RSRDC, the availibility appears to match up with the historical record.

Re: Where's my SJ radar?
 

Hope I'm not confusing things by jumping in the middle, but I'm having the same problem in my Porpoise boat with TMO 1.9 and RSRDC, March 1943. I had the SJ and SD on my last two patrols, and they worked well, picking up surface targets around 10 miles and air targets at about 15. The radars disappeared when they refit my boat in Midway, Feb. 1943. However, they seemed to reinstall OK, and didn't cost me anything. I also reinstalled the SD (improved). They also did some kind of superstructure mod that I had not asked for. Renown is about 9000. I have been running TMO and RSRDC for about the last two patrols

However, neither radar now seems to function after I launched on next patrol. The radar controls and buttons remain dark --- switches, PPI and A-scope also. The sets do show up in the Sensors window, but the vacuum tubes don't light up...

Losing your radar when you get a refit upgrade to a new tower is a bug in the game and there is no real good fix for it as far as I know.
This is the very thing Ducimus is talking about in his "One ship done well" thread.

You might try a very short patrol and than return to base and see if on your next patrol things are working. Make some saves just in case they don't, you can go back to where you are now.
This worked once for me.

Magic

Your advice regarding using up a few days, then returning to base to see if you can attain the upgrade sounds just like the kind of fix that would work when the problem is with the dates not being in the proper sequence. In other words, the "offer" to purchase an upgrade was days away from the date the equipment really gets put into the game. You buy the upgrade to find out later on patrol the equipment is not available. When you return to base and you select the upgrade again, you have it on the boat now. That's why I've stated the "offer" dates need to be the same as the upgrade "available" date.

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dennyc, you're using a Porpoise boat with the problem of losing equipment (you once had) when a refit comes along. I have found something regarding a conning tower refit that seems important, however I don't see a connection yet to a Porpoise class boat. More digging is in order.

The files below both come from their respective sub class boats found in the Submarine/NNS_Gato, and NSS_Gar.upc files. This is the "stock" game files, with simular errors used with the TMO 2.0 mod.


;************************************************* ***********
;
; SUBMARINE TYPE DEFINITION
;
;************************************************* ***********
;------------------------------------------------------------
; Crew Evolutions
;------------------------------------------------------------
;Evolution= Normal
;Evolution= Battle_Stations
[UserPlayerUnit 1]
ID=Gato
NameDisplayable=Gato
UnitName= USS Gato
Type=Gato
UpgradeClass=2
UnitInterval= 1941-12-31, 1967-06-01
ExternalClassName=SSGato
Nationality=American
CrewRanks=12
Evolution= Normal
Damage= 0
TextureName=data/Submarine/NSS_Gato/NSS_Gato_T01.tga
LightmapTextureName=data/Submarine/NSS_Gato/NSS_Gato_O01.tga
NormalmapTextureName= NULL
MenuSilhouetteTextureName= Gato_Class_01.tga
[UserPlayerUnit 1.UnitPartSlot 1]
ID=GatoConningSlot
NameDisplayable=Conning Tower Mount
Type=NULL
AcceptedTypes=GatoConningTower
IDLinkUnitPartIntervalDefault1= NULL, 1942-09-31, GatoConningEarlyWar ;Only UnitParts of this type could be placed here
IDLinkUnitPartIntervalDefault2= 1942-10-01, 1943-03-31, GatoConningMedWar
IDLinkUnitPartIntervalDefault3= 1943-04-01, 1944-10-31, GatoConningLateWar
IDLinkUnitPartIntervalDefault4= 1944-11-01, NULL, GatoConningElite
ExternalNodeName3D= Z01


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;************************************************* ***********
;
; SUBMARINE TYPE DEFINITION
;
;************************************************* ***********
;------------------------------------------------------------
; Crew Evolutions
;------------------------------------------------------------
;Evolution= Normal
;Evolution= Battle_Stations
[UserPlayerUnit 1]
ID=Gar
NameDisplayable=Gar
UnitName= USS Gar
Type=Gar
UpgradeClass=1
UnitInterval= 1941-03-01, 1945-12-11
ExternalClassName=SSGar
Nationality=American
CrewRanks=12
Evolution= Normal
Damage= 0
TextureName=data/Submarine/NSS_Tambor/NSS_Tambor_T01.tga
LightmapTextureName=data/Submarine/NSS_Tambor/NSS_Tambor_O01.tga
NormalmapTextureName= NULL
MenuSilhouetteTextureName= Tambor_Class_01.tga
[UserPlayerUnit 1.UnitPartSlot 1]
ID=GarConningSlot
NameDisplayable=Conning Tower Mount
Type=NULL
AcceptedTypes=TamborConningTower
IDLinkUnitPartIntervalDefault1= NULL, 1941-12-31, TamborConningEarlyWar
IDLinkUnitPartIntervalDefault2= 1941-12-31, 1942-12-31, TamborConningMedWar
IDLinkUnitPartIntervalDefault3= 1943-01-01, NULL, TamborConningLateWar
ExternalNodeName3D= Z01

Notice anything wrong with the dates?

Here's the Gato file:

AcceptedTypes=GatoConningTower
IDLinkUnitPartIntervalDefault1= NULL, 1942-09-31, GatoConningEarlyWar


Here's the Gar file:

AcceptedTypes=TamborConningTower
IDLinkUnitPartIntervalDefault1= NULL, 1941-12-31 TamborConningEarlyWar
IDLinkUnitPartIntervalDefault2= 1941-12-31, 1942-12-31, TamborConningMedWar


These dates should not be like this. First off in the Gato file, those Romanians are trying to give us an extra day in the month of September, AGAIN! There's only 30 days in Sept. !!

The Gar file has the end date for one conning tower upgrade the same as the beginning date of the following conning tower upgrade. This is going to cause trouble having the same date for two events.

Just off the top of my head, the SJ radar for the Porpoise class boat has three different "mounts" for the antenna used (the three mounts go along with the three SJ upgrades offered; SJ, SJ-1, ST). I'm suspecting not all "mounts" will fit the conning tower upgrades offered. So what may be important is to have the conning tower upgrade coincide with the antenna mounts as they become available, this way the mounts fit the proper radar upgrade with the correct conning tower upgrade.

All I can say for sure, as long as there are unnoticed errors like adding days to a month that don't belong, this problem of the past four years isn't going to be resolved.

So what your saying, is the files in TMO are stock, I didn't do anything to them, and i should be reprimanded for not having the gregorian calender memorized? Am I understanding that paragraph correctly?

Thanks. I don't have a solution yet, but this would explain it if true. You saved me some hours of scratching around blindly, and I will scrutinize my Porpoise files for date conflicts or errors. I might also shorten this patrol and go for a new one and see what happens.

That is no doubt true but as he already has the new tower it should affect him and he will have several more patrols to improve his rating before the next upgrade.

Magic

My mistake in stating the TMO 2.0 Submarine/NSS_Gato/NSS_Gato.upc and the Submarine/NSS_Gar/NSS_Gar.upc are stock. I should have said:

There, that should make you feel better.

As far as a reprimand, who cares if you have anything memorized or not?
I don't.

This problem has been a long outstanding one, we can either try to correct it or leave the players to fend for themselves with it.

I've solved this little dilemma for myself.

UnitPartInterval=1941-11-01, 1942-03-01
UnitPartInterval=1942-03-02, 1942-08-01
UnitPartInterval=1942-08-02, 1943-01-01
UnitPartInterval=1943-01-02, 1944-01-01
UnitPartInterval=1944-01-02, NULL


That should make you happy.