danke schon herr pappy55, lol...well guys thanks for all the help, and for making me feel very welcome here, i appreciate it. And about the individual control, i didnt know that it wasnt done in real life, so i guess that makes me not want it as much...still would be kinda cool to do short radius turns, but ah well, lol

And that is something that definitely was done in real life. When maneuvering in port and when running decks awash.