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Rilder 02-04-11 06:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Catfish (Post 1590594)
They need a reason to accuse him. Any reason.
The oldest rule, "destroy a man publicly, before you kill him".

Imagine how many people now think that Assange is a criminal, even if he is set free this will always haunt him.

Greetings,
Catfish

Reminds me of this. :O:

August 02-04-11 06:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Catfish (Post 1590750)
No he was not, but see how this stuff already works ?
Sun Tzu at its finest :-?

My dear departed Father was fond of a saying, which I shall not repeat here, that addressed the concept that everyone has an opinion just like they have certain body parts. It fits perfectly.


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P.S. If you probably mean that he is a criminal for making the stuff public in this wikileaks, i guess all witnesses of concentration camps spreading the word should also have been silenced ? Well, it has been tried :shifty:
Godwins law. If you have to invoke the nazis then you have already lost the debate. Assange isn't fit to shine a concentration camp survivors shoes.

bookworm_020 02-04-11 08:13 PM

I agree that he is a moral deprived scumbag, but the case has many holes, signs of policital grandstanding and all sides contradict themselves and each other.

http://www.smh.com.au/world/assanges...204-1aguk.html

Sailor Steve 02-04-11 08:17 PM

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Originally Posted by August (Post 1590783)
Godwins law. If you have to invoke the nazis then you have already lost the debate.

As I recall, Godwin's law only describes the correlation between the length of the debate and the likelyhood of Nazis being invoked.

I think you meant 'August's Law'. :D

Sailor Steve 02-04-11 08:26 PM

For once I disagree with Frau on the "Rape" charge. Though the courts seem to be waffling.

It is clear that the night before sex was consensual. That doesn't make rape the next morning okay - far from it. But was it rape? Did he he start while she was asleep? Obviously. But did he know that? Was she responding in her sleep? Did he know that? The only problem she seemed to have with it at the time was the condom question.

I'm not arguing one way or the other. It just seems to me that it's not entirely cut-and-dried. In other words, I don't know. But the behaviour of both of them seems questionable to me.

August 02-04-11 08:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Sailor Steve (Post 1590860)
As I recall, Godwin's law only describes the correlation between the length of the debate and the likelyhood of Nazis being invoked.

I think you meant 'August's Law'. :D

Two pages isn't sufficient?

Then how about:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reductio_ad_Hitlerum

Sailor Steve 02-04-11 08:39 PM

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Originally Posted by August (Post 1590876)
Two pages isn't sufficient?

Then how about:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reductio_ad_Hitlerum

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There are many corollaries to Godwin's law, some considered more canonical (by being adopted by Godwin himself) than others. For example, there is a tradition in many newsgroups and other Internet discussion forums that once such a comparison is made, the thread is finished and whoever mentioned the Nazis has automatically "lost" whatever debate was in progress. This principle itself is frequently referred to as Godwin's law. It is considered poor form to raise such a comparison arbitrarily with the motive of ending the thread. There is a widely recognized corollary that any such ulterior-motive invocation of Godwin's law will be unsuccessful.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law

To be fair (and clear), all I was trying to say was that Godwin's Law itself doesn't say anything about losing the argument just by bringing up Hitler. That is arguably true, but Godwin didn't say it.

the_tyrant 02-04-11 08:42 PM

break it up now old guys:O:

[conspiracy rant]It is really possible that wikileaks falsely leaked false information regarding assange's charges, to get sympathy. After all, they already have enough "street cred"[/conspiracy rant]

August 02-04-11 09:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Sailor Steve (Post 1590881)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law

To be fair (and clear), all I was trying to say was that Godwin's Law itself doesn't say anything about losing the argument just by bringing up Hitler. That is arguably true, but Godwin didn't say it.

A mere detail. Comparing my simple statement that I think Assange is a criminal to stopping concentration camp survivors pretty much counts, as the wiki quote you posted clearly shows:

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there is a tradition in many newsgroups and other Internet discussion forums that once such a comparison is made, the thread is finished and whoever mentioned the Nazis has automatically "lost" whatever debate was in progress. This principle itself is frequently referred to as Godwin's law.
See? I'm just following established forum tradition here! :DL

Sailor Steve 02-04-11 09:23 PM

Well, here's an older one: YOU'RE WRONG, JUST 'CAUSE I SAYS SO!!! :O:

Tchocky 02-05-11 07:57 AM

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Originally Posted by tater (Post 1590681)
I winder why we don't just bump him off. Even the Obama Admin for all their talk before his election have shown they are willing to kill people with no due process (that's what using a drone attack on a "high value target" is, after all.

If you can bump off some AQ guy who might not actually kill people, but instead, um, manages the AQ website and propaganda, then why not Assange?

What's the difference?

Thank god, the asteroid barely missed us, we're alive!

Now let's go burn down the observatory so this never happens again.

DarkFish 02-05-11 08:47 AM

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Originally Posted by August (Post 1590900)
See? I'm just following established forum tradition here! :DL

well, needing to rely on "forum tradition" does say something about the validity of your arguments, doesn't it? IMO it's quite a bit cowardly to do so, and personally I think someone using Godwin's law to try to "win" a discussion should automatically lose it.

No matter in which words you pack it, Godwin's law doesn't say anything about the real validity of ones arguments.

August 02-05-11 08:55 AM

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Originally Posted by DarkFish (Post 1591108)
well, needing to rely on "forum tradition" does say something about the validity of your arguments, doesn't it? IMO it's quite a bit cowardly to do so, and personally I think someone using Godwin's law to try to "win" a discussion should automatically lose it.

No matter in which words you pack it, Godwin's law doesn't say anything about the real validity of ones arguments.

I'm glad you think so. That says a lot about you too.

Morts 02-05-11 09:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Tchocky (Post 1591079)
Thank god, the asteroid barely missed us, we're alive!

Now let's go burn down the observatory so this never happens again.

Simpsons ?

Platapus 02-05-11 09:47 AM

(reminiscing)

Ya know, I remember when this thread was about Assange.

Those were the days. :D


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