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TLAM Strike 01-20-11 12:59 PM

Nope never seen that but I'm not surprised, since there was Heli on Heli combat in the Iran Iraq War. Choppers are also used for intercepts over DC if a light aircraft is involved (like a Cessna)


Some more interesting pics:
http://img413.imageshack.us/img413/7756/a6fv9.jpg
"Ok so what do we do now Cool Hand?"
"Not quite sure Virgil..."


Well at least the Corsair II could carry 'winders... but doesn't look like they have any on board... maybe they got their gun loaded?
http://img835.imageshack.us/img835/9104/a7ilfa9.jpg

Oberon 01-20-11 01:02 PM

Could try throwing rocks at them I suppose. ;)

I've heard reports of the odd firefight over the Iron Curtain and the casualties being put back as 'accidental discharge fatality' or RTA victims.
Makes you wonder what is still buried (figuratively) out there.

Excellent pics, by the way. :yep::yeah:

TLAM Strike 01-20-11 01:27 PM

:haha: No worries the Intruder called for backup...

http://img28.imageshack.us/img28/4180/attachmentrb.jpg

Ever get the feeling you are outmatched?
http://img832.imageshack.us/img832/7962/int1gn5.jpg

I wonder if that counts as intercepting an entire air wing?
http://img683.imageshack.us/img683/9...ay1156bno5.jpg

No you fool he is going to use his SAM!
http://img690.imageshack.us/img690/5...torssnin19.jpg
Noob...

I appears they found the Red October
http://img21.imageshack.us/img21/7900/vntu16zik5.jpg
Wonder if this is Photoshop...


So want this mission in DW!
http://img703.imageshack.us/img703/9466/attachmentj.jpg

CCIP 01-20-11 01:59 PM

:haha:

Great pics there TLAM, thanks for sharing!

TLAM Strike 01-20-11 02:22 PM

Due to budget cuts this is all he RAF has to perform intercepts with...
http://img573.imageshack.us/img573/7572/helloboris.jpg
Reminds me of the Nimrod/707 intercepts during the Falklands war.

Oberon 01-20-11 03:30 PM

:haha:

Come to think of it, that picture shows another strategic reason the Russians are always interested in the North Sea. Oil and gas rigs. Lots of those in the North Sea, knock them out and our oil production goes down the tubes in a large way.

Matador.es 01-24-11 06:53 AM

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Originally Posted by TLAM Strike (Post 1578486)

This kind of stuck with me, i found it was an experimental craft and these photos where taken in 2006, so not that old!


OS stand for Opitnoye Sudno (Experimental Vessel)

TLAM Strike 01-24-11 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Matador.es (Post 1581007)
This kind of stuck with me, i found it was an experimental craft and these photos where taken in 2006, so not that old!


OS stand for Opitnoye Sudno (Experimental Vessel)

Hmmmm any idea what she was an experiment for? New type of weapon?

Growler 01-24-11 10:56 AM

Bow thrusters?

"I'm gonna hit the brakes; he'll fly right by..."

Matador.es 01-24-11 11:33 AM

I must say i am not copletely sure if the intel is relaiably, especialy since there is a contradiction.

http://www.hazegray.org/faq/smn2.htm#B4
Above you will find a abreviation list what claims this is a Experimental ship.

I also found info that it was part of project 1823 and 1824
http://tripatlas.com/List%20of%20shi...oject%20number
Above you will find a list of all Russian Projects. This list links it with the "Muna Class". If you check on Muna Class you will find:
http://warfare.ru/image.aspx?img=070...009/2/muna.jpg

which, if you ask me has quite some resamblance.

Issue is: This Project 1824 Muna Class has differant call signs. So, i expect that it ones used to be a Muna Class, but has been rebuild later for experiments. Question remains if the torpedo tupes where standard on the BTP (ammo ship call sign) or were fitted in later.

List of the BTP's's
http://warfare.ru/?lang=&linkid=2128&catid=298

Jimbuna 01-24-11 11:56 AM

We never seem to hear of close sub on sub encounters and lost towed arrays these days :hmmm:

TLAM Strike 01-24-11 12:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Matador.es (Post 1581216)
I must say i am not copletely sure if the intel is relaiably, especialy since there is a contradiction.

http://www.hazegray.org/faq/smn2.htm#B4
Above you will find a abreviation list what claims this is a Experimental ship.

I also found info that it was part of project 1823 and 1824
http://tripatlas.com/List%20of%20shi...oject%20number
Above you will find a list of all Russian Projects. This list links it with the "Muna Class". If you check on Muna Class you will find:
http://warfare.ru/image.aspx?img=070...009/2/muna.jpg

which, if you ask me has quite some resamblance.

Issue is: This Project 1824 Muna Class has differant call signs. So, i expect that it ones used to be a Muna Class, but has been rebuild later for experiments. Question remains if the torpedo tupes where standard on the BTP (ammo ship call sign) or were fitted in later.

List of the BTP's's
http://warfare.ru/?lang=&linkid=2128&catid=298

Ships like those were re-purposed for many different roles, AGIs, actual fishing trawlers, supply ships etc. I'll check in my books after I get home from school and see if its a Muna or something similar.

Matador.es 01-24-11 01:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TLAM Strike (Post 1581245)
Ships like those were re-purposed for many different roles, AGIs, actual fishing trawlers, supply ships etc. I'll check in my books after I get home from school and see if its a Muna or something similar.

I just checked Russia's Arms 2001-2002 (644 pages) but it was not in there. Tbh i am quite interested in the books (PDF Files) you have. You seem to be quite well informed i notice :up:

goldorak 01-24-11 02:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TLAM Strike (Post 1578598)

Install DWX and you're good to go. :shucks:

Castout 01-24-11 08:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Herr-Berbunch (Post 1578313)
Bears have regularly headed toward UK airspace for decades (but always in the press), the regularity did dip somewhat in the 90's but has been picking up again since Putin arrived in power in '99. I do find it strange about heading for NL though, not a massive airspace to play with!

And it's just testing responses, seeing how far they can go before having a jet pull up alongside for a photo or two. Also they in turn photo the jets that appear. It is just a big game really, and all is well as long as it remains just a game.

it's more than just a game if a nation violates another nation airspace with no less than one or two long range strategic bombers.

It's one thing to trespass another nation airspace with a fighter such as the MiG-29 r Su-27 but it's a completely whole new level of game when one tries to do the same with a long range strategic bomber.

It's what I would call efforts to make threats. Try to imagine one or two flying over New York airspace :-)

As to why the reason must definitely be political or even perhaps only related to Russia's domestic policy. Perhaps some people are trying to gain legitimacy or support by this show of belligerent acts. Perhaps to appease some hardliners still in the Russia armed forces or just to raise moral. Whatever it was it was a political message which only the recipient could fully understand.


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