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Platapus 11-04-10 06:32 PM

That is one big aircraft. Kudos to the pilots!

krashkart 11-04-10 09:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Oberon (Post 1529128)
Still, it'll be good to have a flame-war which doesn't revolve around Obama or US politics for once, won't it? :yeah:

Until somebody makes an indirect tie between the engine failure and the POTUS. :haha:


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Originally Posted by Skybird (Post 1529273)
Seeing the Airbus' engine smoking, I think Boeing started early. :O:

I do admire your wit, Skybird. :rotfl2:

bookworm_020 11-04-10 09:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Tchocky (Post 1529294)
Maintenance for Qantas' A388 engines is provided directly by Rolls-Royce, I'm not sure about Singapore Airlines and Lufthansa (the other two carriers using R-R on their A380's). So far, Lufthansa have continued operations, and Singapore have announced extra checks on their engines, causing some delays. Keep in mind that Singapore have the most R-R/A380 hours by a good margin.

Qantas A380 maintenance is done in Germany! The union's here in Australia are trying to get Qantas to bring all maintenance back "home" saying that Qantas Is trading on a safety reputation it no longer deserves. There has been a couple of major engine failures in the past six months. The pilot training has been good enough that it all works out, but there is a limit.

CCIP 11-04-10 10:40 PM

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Originally Posted by bookworm_020 (Post 1529535)
Qantas A380 maintenance is done in Germany! The union's here in Australia are trying to get Qantas to bring all maintenance back "home" saying that Qantas Is trading on a safety reputation it no longer deserves. There has been a couple of major engine failures in the past six months. The pilot training has been good enough that it all works out, but there is a limit.

Good on them then - I do hope this incident helps tip the scales in the Aussie workers' favour!

TarJak 11-05-10 01:18 AM

Just so you know there is and never has been a U in QANTAS. It is an acronym for Queensland And Nothern Territory Air Service harking back to its roots in Western Queensland 90 years ago.:03::know:

TarJak 11-05-10 01:53 AM

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Originally Posted by bookworm_020 (Post 1529535)
Qantas A380 maintenance is done in Germany! The union's here in Australia are trying to get Qantas to bring all maintenance back "home" saying that Qantas Is trading on a safety reputation it no longer deserves. There has been a couple of major engine failures in the past six months. The pilot training has been good enough that it all works out, but there is a limit.

The engines are maintained by RR. The unions are talking bollocks to be honest. The failure rate has not increased one iota since some maintenance was moved offshore.

The bulk of Qantas maintenance is done inhouse by the Qantas Engineering staff.

If the engineering unions want to keep work here, then they need to stop asking for riduculous conditions making themselves uncompetitive with competent.

The A-380 maintenance is done in Germany by Lufthansa Technik, a world renowned and very capable maintenance team.

Qantas does not compromise when it comes to safety, bu they do get their money's worth as any smart business should.

http://media.smh.com.au/national/nat...l?from=newsbox

papa_smurf 11-05-10 05:51 AM

Heres a video taken by a passenger onboard of the damage:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-pacific-11692478

Something went seriously went wrong with the engine containment, as aircraft engines are supposed to contain any explosion to prevent any damage to the rest of the aircraft.

CCIP 11-05-10 08:25 AM

By the way, one detail that I'm really wondering about: engine 2 blew, but after landing apparently engine 1 could not be shut down (and you can see this in pictures of it being blasted with water to shut it off). What sort of damage would this indicate?

Jimbuna 11-05-10 08:48 AM

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Originally Posted by papa_smurf (Post 1529663)
Heres a video taken by a passenger onboard of the damage:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-pacific-11692478

Something went seriously went wrong with the engine containment, as aircraft engines are supposed to contain any explosion to prevent any damage to the rest of the aircraft.

The hole in the wing was 'gradually expanding' :o

MH 11-05-10 08:56 AM

I think 747 had a problem with engines falling off when it was totaly new plane.

Skybird 11-05-10 09:32 AM

Most carriers do not maintain a maintenance network as extensive as that of Lufthansa, for that reason several carriers send their machines to Lufthansa for certain key checks that need to be run on a regular basis.

Qantas without "u" :) has chosen for the RR engines, so any problem with the engine is not an issue of Airbus, but between Qantas and RR. Airbus neither designs nor supplies the engines, and also does not maintain them.

The European Aerial Traffic Adminsitration (or hoe they are called in English) has released a note saying that already several months ago they ahd send a warning to RR over the engines for the A380, calling them to do additional inspections on their design.

It seems to me that there is an issue with the very design of the RR engines for the A380 that amongst insiders is known since longer.

I wonder if now orders for the rivalling engine by Engine Alliance will rise. Emirates are using these, I think, and Air France. I assume for a plane with four en gines that capable to fly with even 2 engines only, thrust is not the factor deciding which engines are chosen by a carrier, but fuel consumption, noise, availability, and supply of spare parts, price, longevity, etc.

Engine Alliance is American (GE and Pratt&Whitney), Rolls Royce is British.

FIREWALL 11-05-10 10:00 AM

Just a bunch of Knee-Jerk reaction hype. :roll:

If anybodys that worried about flying on a Airbus or Boeing plane, WALK. I say :haha:

Skybird 11-05-10 11:42 AM

Qantas seems to have a run. Just in: a B747 has had engine troubles as well, and needed to make an emergency landing in Singapore.

CCIP 11-05-10 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Skybird (Post 1529942)
Qantas seems to have a run. Just in: a B747 has had engine troubles as well, and needed to make an emergency landing in Singapore.

Yup... the plot thickens :hmmm:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-pacific-11702365

I guess Airbus was quick with their "flame war" response :D

also, a bump to my previous post - anyone have any technical explanation for why Engine 1 would fail to shut off?

Task Force 11-05-10 03:22 PM

Hmm, maby they accidently hit a kangaroo on takeoff, though the effect was delayed till they got towards singapore.:lol:


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