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How do you pick which side of the coin you like when both of them are covered in filth and stink so bad they could melt the varnish off a foot locker? I'd just as soon do away with the barnyard and circus animals altogether.

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There are folks on both sides who will gladly accuse you of that. I feel one way on some subjects and another way on others, and I wonder about anyone who takes any full party line. But people who are so far to one side or the other that all they can do is throw mud at anyone not like themselves?

They have nothing real to say, but they insist on saying it anyway.

Indeed, well said.

Some people simply prefer for their thinking to be done on their behalf rather than having to stress themselves into approaching anything resembling a well thought-out conclusion. To me no one is more of an idiot than the single-issue voter, who for instance, believes in a so-called "pro-choice" philosophy and has subsequently relegated all of their political beliefs to be in line with that singular, strong opinion. (That was just an example.)

While I'm fairly certain I'm not as jaded with our political process as Ducimus, I must admit to some measure of incredulity. However, it's far more directed at the voters than the politicians.

In my opinion, to hate the politicians for their pandering ways is silly and distracts from the real problem - the voters. You can piss and moan all you want that the politicians try to say only what we want to hear, but you can't escape the fact that they only do so because we actually want to hear them do it.

This is why I see this election as so remarkable - I can't remember social issues being so irrelevent. I think the voter may actually be waking up from the practice of "tell me what I want to hear", at least in some small part. Considering the "purple" nature of most demographics (save perhaps the blacks who almost unanimously support Obama) even a small move towards prioritizing national sustainability and solvency issues over social issues seems to be progressive.

Conservatives have long had the black eye of some rather exclusionary social ideologies which have served to negate the inherent attractiveness of fiscally conservative policy. For the first time in my lifetime, I see those who are concerned with financial policy all but ignoring the convergent realities of the social typifications which go hand in hand with said policy.

Maybe for once people are starting to realize that their beliefs on, say, gay marriage matters little if they have no job and therefore no true means to promote that social opinion.

The bottom line is that I'm encouraged - social policy is merely about a consensus reaching new paradigms. Fiscal policy is about allowing people to be in a position in debating such issues in the first place. Finally it seems that people are waking up and focusing on the latter rather than throwing away their votes on the former despite the fact that such a vote in practicality changes nothing.

Like people who swallow crap from a crazy radio host that makes no sense and still insisists its true long after most of the partisan hacks and the politicians have had to stand up and say oooopps we was wrong about that line as it was taken out of context:yeah:

Aaand, he immediately shows his one-sided "mine is better than yours" political jive, again not recognizing that he is exactly the same as the people he laughs at. :dead:

Erm, say what? I was in agreement with your point.

I believe he was talking to Tribesman.

Ah, gotcha, thanks. Sometimes I don't even notice the:My fault, Steve. :ping:

August is right, and don't worry about it.

Though that is one reason I use the ignore list very sparingly. As in only one person has ever been on mine.

I'm still trying to work myself off of it. :shifty:

Wut?

Heh, only one on mine as well. It gets annoying when someone practically stalks you still trying to goad you into an argument from way back when.

As I've said in the past, the guy probably dreams of me. :doh:

Somehow I doubt that ... despite our differences you're one of the last people I could see anyone ignoring. You stick to a topic, give your piece, maybe engage in a little back and forth, than move on - unlike certain others.

Good, as you recently showed that you had to blatantly lie again to maintain that position you ridiculously still hold to be true.

Just making a silly joke. :O:

*tips hat* I do try and follow the rules of good internet sportsmanship - don't make it personal, don't let it get to you, and at the end of the day, realize it's only an internet debate and it means absolutely nothing.