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CCIP 09-16-10 10:07 AM

Well, for one thing, looking from outside the US it is painfully apparent that American politics is very partisan in nature. That tends to make politics very divisive, and disturbing from the point of view of most of the rest of the Western world - I can't think of many other places where politics is this polarizing. Obama is a perfect example aligned with the far side of one of the two parties, and that makes him a perfect target for the other side, so that's about it.

Frankly, I think the anti-Obama sentiment was a lot worse around election times.

Otherwise, eh, as much as I'm well over on the left side, I don't really approve of Obama and never was particularly optimistic for him. A lot of my American friends were excited for him winning, and I told them to wait a couple of years and see. Now a couple of years later, I'm content to have proven that Obama is both relatively weak in terms of his actual position and capacity to make positive change, while also pushing through a lot of his politics through means that don't exactly make him look good. Honestly, he's proven himself to be what I saw in him all along - a Chicago politician.

I certainly prefer him quite a bit to the Bush administration, but that's about the best I can say for him.

I do hope that the heat stops being aimed so much at his persona - a lot of things leveled against him by conservatives is just populist gobbledygook that only further serves to deepen partisan divisions and distract from real social and economic issues that neither side, so far, has shown any good potential to solve.

Méo 09-16-10 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by JU_88 (Post 1494634)
and Sarah Palin scares the hell out of me too.

Rest assured!!

Take a look at the Beehive beauty shop :sunny:

(from 03:15 to 06:30)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Do0-fWVY9I

Rilder 09-16-10 12:21 PM

Well he's better then having McCain as president thats for sure, and he is definitely better then the very prospect of having that idiot Palin as president.

However... Republicans, Democrats, Liberals, Conservatives, moderates, radicals... they all suck.

bradclark1 09-16-10 12:25 PM

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Originally Posted by August (Post 1494758)
It's for the same reason that Democrats were comparing the Bush administration to the nazis.

Why is it that if one disagrees you are a Democrat or if you aren't a Republican you must be a Democrat. Rather narrow minded.

AVGWarhawk 09-16-10 12:39 PM

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However... Republicans, Democrats, Liberals, Conservatives, moderates, radicals... they all suck.
:yep:

tater 09-16-10 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by bradclark1 (Post 1494912)
Why is it that if one disagrees you are a Democrat or if you aren't a Republican you must be a Democrat. Rather narrow minded.

In US presidential elections voters do only 2 things. They vote for the R or the D. Third party votes help one or the other if the state is in play---or do nothing at all otherwise.

tater 09-16-10 12:50 PM

I should add that I don't think that the right "hates" Obama nearly as much as the left hates Bush. In many cases the left seems to have been against hints solely to be contrarian. "we were for regime change before we were against it!"

I dislike Obama because I dislike most all his policy goals.

Sailor Steve 09-16-10 01:19 PM

I disagree with Obama's policies. No hate or even dislike involved. I disagreed with Bush on Iraq and some other things. Same lack of animosity.

I notice that a large majority of the people who actively hated Bush were doing so long before he gave them a reason. Same with Obama. It's all politics and one-sided bigotry (and I'm talking political bigotry, no other).

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Originally Posted by bradclark1 (Post 1494912)
Why is it that if one disagrees you are a Democrat or if you aren't a Republican you must be a Democrat. Rather narrow minded.

It wasn't Republicans who put up the posters of Bush as Hitler. And that was all that August was referencing. It looked to me like he was speaking to the jackass politics of both sides.

bradclark1 09-16-10 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by tater (Post 1494922)
In US presidential elections voters do only 2 things. They vote for the R or the D. Third party votes help one or the other if the state is in play---or do nothing at all otherwise.

So I'm a Democan or a Repocrat depending on which way I lean at the time?:)

bradclark1 09-16-10 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Sailor Steve (Post 1494940)
It wasn't Republicans who put up the posters of Bush as Hitler. And that was all that August was referencing. It looked to me like he was speaking to the jackass politics of both sides.

That's what I'm talking about. So it must have been Democrats?

Sailor Steve 09-16-10 01:26 PM

I posted this a long time ago, but I can't come up with anything better, so here it is again:

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Originally Posted by Sailor Steve
I was one of those hippies...then I joined the navy and went to fight a war...then I protested against that same war...then I laughed at the environmentalists of my day...then I fought for the environment...now I consider myself a Demican Republicrat God-Fearing Atheist Communist Fascist Socialist Libertarian. My views on abortion and gay rights get me labelled a Flaming Liberal, but my opinions on guns and the economy make me a Knee-jerk Conservative. Rush would call me a fence-sitter, but I'm much nearer the right-left-middle than I am to the middle-left-right.

Oh, I don't take drugs anymore (except for the prescription ones, and those only because my doctor makes me), but I am still a hippie - or at least I look like one this week.

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/show...ht=republicrat

Sailor Steve 09-16-10 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by bradclark1 (Post 1494945)
That's what I'm talking about. So it must have been Democrats?

Who else hated Bush that much? Libertarians?

Weiss Pinguin 09-16-10 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Sailor Steve (Post 1494948)
Who else hated Bush that much? Libertarians?

Maybe the Librarians? :D

Sailor Steve 09-16-10 01:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Weiss Pinguin (Post 1494952)
Maybe the Librarians? :D

SHHHH!!!

bradclark1 09-16-10 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Sailor Steve (Post 1494948)
Who else hated Bush that much? Libertarians?

How about Joe Blow off the street. What is it, less than 1/3 actually vote. The rest still have opinions.


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