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Kazuaki Shimazaki II 09-15-10 07:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Tarrasque (Post 1493813)
First Amendment doesn't come in to it.

From the sounds of it he had a code of conduct that he agreed to as an employer of the transit system - he violated that and was fired as a result.

I wonder if he had been fired due to whipping his c*** out in public, whether there would have been this thread?

Seems to be a growing anti-Islam paranoia that blames everything on it regardless of the facts or not.

Ah, but even if that were the case, why should something like this be covered under the code of conduct?

tater 09-15-10 07:16 PM

A city transit system can have a code of conduct that is explicitly unconstitutional? A code that applies to employees when they are not on the job?

Castout 09-15-10 07:22 PM

Just want to say if he discriminated against Muslim in his work then he needs to be booted out of his job but kicking him out of his job just for protesting albeit with a controversial method is rather unfair.

Though I can understand the need to deter more people from following his lead that could cause consternation among the Muslim world.

Platapus 09-15-10 07:23 PM

NJ transit is an at will employer so he can be fired without cause. I have been unable to find the specific code of ethics so I can't opine whether he violated it.

I also don't know the legality of burning something on the streets of NYC, so he may have violated some city ordinance.

I am sure this will all come out in the lawsuit. Suing your employer seems to be the lottery of choice for getting rich quick, it seems. :nope:

tater 09-15-10 07:50 PM

I see no reason for the government to get involved at all in "deterring more people." They can deface whatever book they like as long as they own the book as far as I am concerned.

Platapus 09-15-10 07:53 PM

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Originally Posted by tater (Post 1494305)
I see no reason for the government to get involved at all in "deterring more people." They can deface whatever book they like as long as they own the book as far as I am concerned.


I agree. Unless it violates some ordinance (fire) or some other law/regulation, a person can burn any book they personally own.

Now where they can burn it may be restricted depending on the circumstances.

Bubblehead1980 09-15-10 09:41 PM

Wish I was finished with Law School already, I would love to have this case! Just the type of case I want to handle someday.Reality is some uber Liberal PC type over him had a freak out and pushed for him to be fired.Hope he sues and wins lots of $ then burns more Quarans.

razark 09-15-10 09:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Platapus (Post 1494307)
I agree. Unless it violates some ordinance (fire) or some other law/regulation, a person can burn any book they personally own.

Now where they can burn it may be restricted depending on the circumstances.

Exactly. I'd like to see the code of ethics he supposedly violated, and exactly what action he performed that violated it.

Tribesman 09-16-10 01:34 AM

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Wish I was finished with Law School already, I would love to have this case!
Why do you hate him so much?:hmmm:

Castout 09-16-10 03:36 AM

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Originally Posted by tater (Post 1494305)
I see no reason for the government to get involved at all in "deterring more people." They can deface whatever book they like as long as they own the book as far as I am concerned.

That may be our ordinary folks opinion, but to some politicians trying to mend broken and sour relationship with the Muslim world it would send a wrong message if the guy was not fired. . . .at least that's the point of view I used when I wrote I can understand it to deter other people from burning more Korans.:)

But for the sake of liberty I'd support the stance that the guy should not lose his job over his method of protest. Private or public career.

Worse thing happened to Dixie chick during Bush administration because of the comments they made over the war in Iraq that resulted from the radios banning their music. I certainly respect the audacity of these women in saying what they believed in public and took the chance with their career as a consequence. I raise my hat to them! The kind of girl or women I'd love to love, one that can stand up when she believes she's right. What is there to fear even the most successful and powerful person on the planet is going the same way as the rest of the population...the grave. What to fear?! We'll all successfully die. So why not living and fighting for what we believe is right in the meantime?

Political correctness is just stupid imo . . . .and who is to be the judge of that correctness? And who is going to be the judge of that judge? And why does it keep changing with time and policy and administration? Surely there's no universal correctness!

Torvald Von Mansee 09-16-10 05:10 AM

I'd like to be a fly on the wall if he called up the ACLU and asked for representation.

"Well...um....er...about that..."

tater 09-16-10 09:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Castout (Post 1494516)
Worse thing happened to Dixie chick during Bush administration because of the comments they made over the war in Iraq that resulted from the radios banning their music. I certainly respect the audacity of these women in saying what they believed in public and took the chance with their career as a consequence. I raise my hat to them!

There was no "banning." It was the CHOICE of radio stations to play what they wished, and what their customers wanted. "Banning" would require that it was made ILLEGAL to play their music.

They did something stupid, and paid a price in business for it, tough crap. It should be obvious. It's not like NYC is full of country music fans. I could start a Christian band (easy, as I'm no musician, and such music sucks). Then I stand up in front of some audience and say that I think jesus is fake. How would that do for my air time on Christian stations?

Same thing. It was the market speaking, not a "ban."

Rilder 09-16-10 10:21 PM

Honestly, if I owned a business and one of my employees started burning Korans I'd probably fire him because if I know about it he's probably vocal about his Anti-Muslim And/Or Racism and I don't need other employees/customers getting offended because of his "Beliefs" Besides I wouldn't want radicals working for me anyways. I mean Radicals of any variety.

tater 09-16-10 10:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Rilder (Post 1495311)
Honestly, if I owned a business and one of my employees started burning Korans I'd probably fire him because if I know about it he's probably vocal about his Anti-Muslim And/Or Racism and I don't need other employees/customers getting offended because of his "Beliefs" Besides I wouldn't want radicals working for me anyways. I mean Radicals of any variety.

I'd have no problem with that as you'd be a private employer, and I think hiring and firing for ANY reason should be your right. Heck, you should be able to fire a woman for not being pretty enough, or a guy for having a bad haircut.

The transit dept. is part of the government, however. They need to be held to a higher standard, and interfering with political speech by the government is unconstitutional.

I hope he cleans their clock, and never has to work again. (coming from someone against rampant lawsuits, that's saying something (I think loser should have to pay all costs in any suit, for example))

Diopos 09-16-10 11:09 PM

He was a public servant. Don't know how this works in the US but in other countries has an additional obligation (under oath) to uphold the constitution, the law(s) and of course a defined "code of ethics". This would essentially come down to something as in: "you can express your point of view but in an appropriate manner so as not to "compromise" your work as a public servant or the agency you service". In this case, after tearing the Koran or whatever, IN PUBLIC, how would muslim citizens interact with him as a public servant? How would possible muslim coworkers cooperate with him within the state agency? :hmmm:

And it can easily go ... deeper (right to express opinion, state vs religion etc).

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