I have to say I am a bit dubious about this report. Marrying first cousins is more of a cultural thing then a religious thing (I am not aware of anything in Islam that calls for or recommends marrying family, though I could be wrong). I am sure though that there are certain cultures that do this practice (Pakistan may be one of them I don't know).

I also question the reliability and veracity of that site.

As for the rest, well the genetics mentioned are correct. The statistics may be correct (its not racist or anti-group if the statements are truthful, despite what political correctness wants us to think), but I am not sure I trust most of the sources (a lot of the sources quoted are Indian and targeting Pakistan).

The exception does not disprove the rule. Its a question of the overall population, not outliers in the trend.


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On another note, I am not sure if IQ is the best measure for this. It is known in the Psychology community that the basic IQ tests are skewed towards the educated western world and anglo-saxon culture. It rates and values things that our society values and encourages development in. As a result people from other cultures inevitably tend to do very poorly on these tests, which lead to attempts to 'rebalance' the scores by fiddling with the results after being taken.

Personally I am not at all convinced of the validity of the standard existing IQ tests like the Standford-Binet, and WAIS for gauging actual intelligence.

Them Mooslems are really animals after all. :88):doh: And every single one of them thinks exactly like the rest. Herd instinct you know.

Didn't we have "research" that said the same thing about them Negros about a hundred years ago? You "know" how they inbred. Like animals. :doh::doh:

sheeesh. What tripe! And evidently there are some buying this. :nope:

Does it?
You actully backed his argument.

Only through an inference. Sura 4:22-24 describes the types of women that a Muslim should not marry. It then states that a Muslim can marry any other women not forbidden. Since the Holy Qur'an does not forbid a Muslim man from marrying his first cousin, one can infer that it is permitted. This follows the philosophy that everything not forbidden is permitted.

In Sura 33-50, the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) was instructed that he could marry his first cousin. Many, not all, Islamic scholars have interpreted this as allowing all Muslims to marry their first cousin if they so desire.

I have not found anything in my readings of the Holy Qur'an or the Hadith that encourages a Muslim to marry his first cousin.

Good to know, there might be a slight encouragement then (after all what is good for the prophet may be good for the followers as well). I am not overly well versed in most religious texts I must admit. I prefer to stay away from theology. :DL

My first thought was of course that such a link is gonna be World Net Daily type crazy. But while that site is pretty crazy, a quick "reality check" shows that there is a base truth they started with.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11748817
^^^ don't take out any wrath on me, write the PO, Dr. Hussain.

http://informahealthcare.com/doi/abs...14460110100928
^^^ this article links the practice of consanguinity with low education, and suggests that might be a way to correct the problem.

http://www.new.dli.ernet.in/rawdatau...005bbc_407.pdf

This wiki article is actually decent:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cousin_marriage

There are many more links you can find to studies. (I only looked at those that discussed real papers)

One of the well known results are the quadrupedal families in Turkey.


http://cellar.org/2006/quadrupedpeople.jpg

Correct. Ask ten different psychologists on what intelligence is, and you will get ten answers putting emphasis on ten different aspects of the "phenomeneon". There might be overlapping parts of definitions, but no consensus on one generally valid definition. I also wonder if there really is some like totally culture-free IQ-tests possible. You can reduce the dependency on culture-typical content, but you cannot erase culture completely from any such tests. It is a running gag at univetsity that intelligence is what an IQ test is measuring. But I learned that the joke holds more truth than just irony of self-feedbacking reflection.

However, intelliegence niveaus also have a social and cultural condensate. Some psychologists say intelligence is the ability to adapt to the needs of a given envrionment in order to ensure survival inside of it. That may be one aspect. But that does not change the fact that when you have an epidemic outbreak in north Africa, you do not call theAnzar university in Cairo, but the disease ciontrol centre in Atlanta, infidel US. If you want to introduce computer networks in the ME, you take technology and expert knowledge made in infidel West. the intellectual discourse on inter-cultural comparisons is dominated by analysis and the eacdemic work of infidel western academics, the vast majority of satellites in global orbits are made in infidel West or are copied from models developed on basis of wetsern infidel technology, and the infidel state of Jewish Israel (Allah's revenge may come upon them) shows what in the envrionment most Araba and muslim states share with the Jews is possible in ecology, agriculture, economy, technolgxy and science of you refer not to the treasure-chest of Islamic education, but infidel Western cultural heritage and Jewish cleverness.

Yes, Jewish cleverness - I indeed think that the Jewish people somewhat are smarter in adaptation techniques and intellectualism than other people. Maybe it has somethign to do with the fact that they have been persecuted since so long - that making them to need to adopt survival techniques that led to a cleverness of theirs that i return made their persecutors hate them even more: now for their perceived greater cleverness. In the list of cultural and acedemic and economic-financial experts, they are statristically overrepresented - more than any other subgroup (different from mere nationality). The massive jewish influence on the cultural life of european societies in the past 2 or 3 hundred years, cannot be overseen - especially in German, which makes the drama of the Third Reich even more tragic. Without Jewish artists, the cultural life in Germany before hitler would not have been what it was - and for some time in the 20s, it was the navel of Europe, and even competing with America (where Jewish artists also were very present).

It is politially correct to claim that all people and all cultures are equal, and all people are born with the same potentials. All that may be politically correct, and in conformity with especially left-oriented political dogmas . But I am convinced for several very different reasons, some of which I mentioned, that it simply is not true.

Are you surprised?


You mean 1400 years of widespread inbreeding across a wide area of the globe has resulted in one Kurdish family.:doh:

Is that another skybird myth?
Its not surprising you are so confused:rotfl2:

Ugh. Just when I thought GT couldn't possibly get lower, here comes that good old genetics rhetoric. Nothing quite like it to make us "white" people feel better about ourselves, huh. Nothing quite like it to make another step towards dehumanising a threat (whether real or imagined). I note an ironic socialist "we must do this for the health and benefit of our society" conclusion there. Uh-huh. And now we begin to see the convergence of the "socialist" with the "nationalist". Like we didn't see that one play out to its logical conclusion before.
:yawn:

And I keep asking - what's the solution? You guys are very good at toeing that line. You accuse others of political correctness, but the fact is that you yourself are the ultimate masters of political correctness, because you never say what you really mean to be the solution to the "Muslim problem". Because that'd immediately discredit you politically, and that's that - if you follow this logic to the ultimate conclusion, there is no other way around it. A billion and a half people you'd rather not exist, or at least you'd rather not count as people. So what's the answer...? And that's what makes your entire rhetoric on this topic morally and otherwise void.

I see this more as a cultural issue not racial but can you say that we can just pass genetics in every discussion.
If there are real negative effects on other people living in the same society we have the right to find the underlying reasons.

Do you see that the article is totally wrong?

You mean the Ulas family
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ulas_family
That is one Kirdish family - and there appears to be no evidence which confirms their condition is caused by imbreeding either.

So... is that best example you can provide?

I think they found the reason why Middle easterners learn so well when exposed to Western Culture: Its the language!

Your accusation is heavy, i dont think anyone here is promoting killing all muslims. But many probably would be ready create restrictions and laws to preserve our own cultural sphere and heritage.

Your own link says there are other known cases.

You know the family is inbred in more than one generation?
You dont think it might have some effect?