I'm considering buying HoI 3 but without the expansion. Is it worth the buy if without the expansion?

Raptor already told me that it may not be worth the buy without the expansion.

I hate the fact that their latest without expansion, patch 1.4 still have some bugs in it like the supply bug and they've stopped fixing the game if you don't buy the expansion.

I could wait for them to release complete edition or something.

Edit after reading their forum it seems supply is still broken in game. I don't understand why a game developer would publish a game in bad condition. It really hurts sales.

Raptor's right. The current expansion sorts out some nasty issues with the original.

There's also another expansion due out sometime later this year. The expansions are cumulative so without the Semper FI expansion that's already available you wouldn't be able to install the For the Motherland expansion that due out soon (clever Paradox.... Way to make loads of money!!)

Business model aside though, I have never seen a Paradox expansion that didn't make major improvements on the original game, so to my mind it's money well spent.

EDIT: Re: the supply issues, it's not really broken. Just very harsh on those that want to build an entire army of nothing but armour and mechanised troops. Where it falls down is that it's automated to a large degree and not very transparent (finding the supply bottleneck is a chore and one that's sometimes impossible). Careful planning and taking time to ensure your supply routes (or those of your allies) will be able to support your army's composition. For example a lot of people complain the supply system is broken when they've just tried to perform an amphibious invasion of Europe with huge armour based armies that a single port simply can't handle the supplies for.

Not trying to derail anything here but my roommate has HoI 3 and has been onto me about getting it for some time now. Except I'm stuck in Civ 5 (and SH5) currently, and Civ5 was a MESS when it released.

The mods have more or less fixed SH5, or so it appears. I'm happy and entertained so I guess that's the point. Things are (usually) fixable by proper, hard working people that care.

Well, comparing SH5 and HoI3 is like saying AIDS is better than cancer. They both suck!

Am I confused. I know who magnum is but why is he quoted by Steve in place of Zedi?

And what's this all about ladders? If for whatever reason you don't want to use the ladder, teleport.

Lastly where is my club. I need to kill a bilge rat.

Check me sig.

Magnum got sunk in the middle of the atlantic. His vital energy travelled to the space time continuum and incorporated in the entity that calls itself Zedi.

Edit: Zedi bit me to it.

Magnum changed his nick to Zedi. Your confusion comes because I quoted him before the change, and the quote is now locked to my post, and doesn't change.

Clear as mud? :sunny:

HOI3 isn't a bad game, it has its flaws but its not terrible. Its not really my style however since I prefer a less war based game.

I remember having this massive bloody war with the US over India,(As Germany) Neither side gave an inch willingly and thousands upon thousands of soldiers died for that subcontinent. It was one of the most epic wars I've ever seen in a game. It started out as a expeditionary force sent east to support my Asian Axis who were starting to lose ground to American support. (The Axis had originally taken almost the entire sub-continent but the American intervention nearly reclaimed the entire continent) Soon this expeditionary force ballooned into an entire army and the war begain in fullest with planes flying, bombs dropping, tanks rolling. Eve the occasional naval battle (which I tended to fail at due to the lackluster German Navy) Eventually I did manage to best the allies pushing them further and further into the middle east.

The thing about Paradox games is that, while they aren't the best at release, Once they get established, patched, an expansion or two and so on they really start to shine.

Add in the excellent modding community (Who Paradox has been known to hire from) and you have a bunch of games that can last you forever.

How ever if you are the type of gamer who loves Call of Duty and speaks in 1337 sp3@k, then you might not enjoy Paradox games.