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mookiemookie 08-25-10 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Aramike (Post 1477192)
Please cite how.

If a zeal for enforcing law makes someone a thug and a pig, I shudder to think what you consider anyone else...

Sending goon squads after journalists who are critical of him, being a unabashed publicity whore, destroying and witholding evidence, coverups of prisoner abuse, harassing political enemies with trumped up criminal cases...the list goes on and on. So yes, he's a thug and a pig.

Tribesman 08-25-10 05:15 PM

So this is the idiot who was in trouble with the federal govt. long before Obama got into office.
He is in trouble apparently for abusing his authority delegated to him by ICE and breaking the rules that are backed by the constitution of those United States si in as suc he was exposing not only the county and the state but also the country to severe financial liabilities.
But hey he got a reality TV deal so he must be OK with the muppets on the idiot box:yeah:

The Third Man 08-25-10 05:39 PM

Enforcing the law is now against the law. Our government is officially the enemy.

CCIP 08-25-10 06:08 PM

Yes, but when in enforcing law you also exceed the authority given to you by law and violate constitutional rights and ideals (and I dare say some of what I'd read about Arpaio's jail stands fundamentally against the bit on 'cruel and unusual punishments'), what does that make you?

Frankly I'm not all that against Arpaio's decisive enforcement, but I think giving him the card of 'America's sheriff' is incredibly dangerous. He needs, NEEDS to be absolutely checked and, when needed, criticized by those watching over him. I agree that he's achieved some important results, but he has always tread a very dangerous line between these results and human rights violations. You can't be America's anything if you step over human rights, simple as that.

gimpy117 08-25-10 06:34 PM

america's sheriff? please.

yubba 08-25-10 06:36 PM

Correct me if I'm wrong
 
Where in the Constitution that the liberals are using as a floor mat ,that illegal immigrants have rights.

CCIP 08-25-10 06:46 PM

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Originally Posted by yubba (Post 1477344)
Where in the Constitution that the liberals are using as a floor mat ,that illegal immigrants have rights.

I thought human rights were, by definition, afforded to all humans. Of course the same constitution originally used the same logic to look the other way on slavery.

Look, there's no question that the immigration system is broken and needs to be fixed. But you can't do it at the risk of dividing America between what boils down to humans versus not-humans (by virtue of not having rights to fair treatment). People like Arpaio walk a fine line and need to be kept in close check. Ignoring some political controversy surrounding him, you have to be very careful about his approach to meting out justice. One of the underlying ideals of American legal culture is due process and innocence-until-proven-guilty, and another is freedom from cruel and unusual punishment, and he treads far too close a line on those.

Platapus 08-25-10 07:04 PM

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Originally Posted by yubba (Post 1477344)
Where in the Constitution that the liberals are using as a floor mat ,that illegal immigrants have rights.

The Constitution is only one source of our legislation. We are a nation governed by a Constitution, laws, regulations, and precedents, not solely by a Constitution alone. Please read Plyer v. Doe 457 U.S. 202 (1982).

Aramike 08-25-10 07:46 PM

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Originally Posted by mookiemookie (Post 1477236)
Sending goon squads after journalists who are critical of him, being a unabashed publicity whore, destroying and witholding evidence, coverups of prisoner abuse, harassing political enemies with trumped up criminal cases...the list goes on and on. So yes, he's a thug and a pig.

So what do you think about the criminals?

Gerald 08-25-10 07:53 PM

This is not consistent with the Topic,
 
even I could not resist...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=10qLYy6hiFQ

AVGWarhawk 08-25-10 07:59 PM

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Originally Posted by CCIP (Post 1477315)
Yes, but when in enforcing law you also exceed the authority given to you by law and violate constitutional rights and ideals (and I dare say some of what I'd read about Arpaio's jail stands fundamentally against the bit on 'cruel and unusual punishments'), what does that make you?

Frankly I'm not all that against Arpaio's decisive enforcement, but I think giving him the card of 'America's sheriff' is incredibly dangerous. He needs, NEEDS to be absolutely checked and, when needed, criticized by those watching over him. I agree that he's achieved some important results, but he has always tread a very dangerous line between these results and human rights violations. You can't be America's anything if you step over human rights, simple as that.

Yes but has he ever crossed the line? :hmmm: I stated this before...if he was crossing the line of civil right he would have a lawsuit slapped on him by Al Sharpton and co faster than you can say lickity split.

AVGWarhawk 08-25-10 08:02 PM

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Originally Posted by mookiemookie (Post 1477236)
Sending goon squads after journalists who are critical of him, being a unabashed publicity whore, destroying and witholding evidence, coverups of prisoner abuse, harassing political enemies with trumped up criminal cases...the list goes on and on. So yes, he's a thug and a pig.

He must be covered in teflon....seems nothing is sticking from this laundry list of things you have on him. :hmmm: Looks to me he is operating within the law.


BTW, you just about covered everyone in Congress with your list there. :up:

Aramike 08-25-10 08:03 PM

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People like Arpaio walk a fine line and need to be kept in close check.
Now this is a statement I can agree with. And the "America's Sheriff" thing makes little sense to me, but it's certainly not an official title, so what do I care?

CCIP 08-25-10 08:03 PM

Like I said, I don't have any hard evidence either way - well, more that I don't really trust everything that I'd read from either side in this. Some of the first-hand stuff about his jail policies that I'd read is pretty stomach-turning, but obviously someone actually IN there is both a bit biased and on the wrong side of the law...

I'm not saying he crossed the line, just that keeping a sharp critical eye on him (by law as by independent civil people) should be absolutely right. Giving him grand titles risks giving him too much super-legal credence.

Platapus 08-25-10 08:05 PM

What makes you think he has not had lawsuits against him?

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Maricopa County has paid more than $43 million in settlement claims during Arpaio's tenure
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maricop...ley_Tribune-66

I am still looking for a non-wiki citation...


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