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Originally Posted by Ducimus (Post 1472893)

I think Shell shock is better. I reference Carlin a lot, particuarly when it comes to language because i think he makes a good point. When it comes to this condition, he makes an EXCELLENT point. Shell shock, almost sounds like the guns themselves.

The language we use has toned the meaning of this condition under complete jargon. Say it to yourself: (or listen to carlin go through it.)

Shell shock!!
Battle Fatigue....
Operational exhaustion...
Post-Tramuatic Stress Disorder...

And now.... its' been reduced even further to an acronym.
PTSD.

With "Shell shock", you hear the words, and you can pretty much figure out the meaning without the aid of a dictionary or wiki. With PTSD, the pain of the condition is completely buried under jargon, which in turn has the side effect of people not taking it as seriously as they should, and vets not getting the help they need.

I think the medical term its ended up as is that way because it applies to a disorder that anybody can suffer, not just military personal. For instance, if you were traumatized by a bad car accident, you wouldn't refer to this condition as shell shock or battle fatigue right? It is a stress disorder that is caused by some past traumatic expierience. Medically, the name makes perfect sense. The disinction will only help to further develop treatments for it in peace time and in times of war.

bit of a revival, but I just read this article on the beeb:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-11057430

Some of the statistics seem a bit woolly, guess that's just the article?

No easy answers.

more reading here: http://www3.gazette.com/documents/epiconreport.pdf

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Originally Posted by Platapus (Post 1472833)

If some guy want's to bump himself off, that should be his right. But I simply can' understand this "taking people with you" attitude that seems to be common (or at least reported more)

OK, your life stynks, go ahead and pop your self if that's the best solution you can think of, but other people's lives may not stynk, OK? :stare:

People who want to pop themselves are always in extreme distress. . . .
Extreme apathy and or extreme anger may cause them intent to cause harm to others. They are mentally unfit to think for themselves when they are in such situation. What they need is help and sympathy not condemnation

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Originally Posted by jumpy (Post 1477482)

War seems to degrade people participating in it even when they are no longer in that war or in a new peaceful environment.
Sad thing is these men are still so young they have their lives in front of them.

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Originally Posted by Ducimus (Post 1472893)

How about Blechkoller considering what website we are on?

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They apparently had been faithful to each other, investigators said,

Apparently faithful....but not entirely determined to be on the level. There are many things that could set this young man off. Shell shock, PTSD or infidelity of his wife.