If this release helps end this stupid war, then it will have saved more lives than any amount of guns or bombs ever would have.

Obviously many documents in there show that many non-combatants get killed while we debate this, and that this is kept secret, and that many operations by special operations teams fail too, again resulting in the killing of not the intended targets, but "others". Also the many reports from men fighting at the front seem to show that the situation is much, much worse than what the media and the govenrment try to make the people at home believe. I noted over the day that in the American media headlines, the aspect of the ISI massively supporting and directing the Taliban, and the existence of commandoes for tagetted assassination of hostile key figures, seem to get most attention - as if the reports are not showing anything else. But they cover as well the inadequzate equipment of the German bundeswehr and the deficits it suffers therefore. Der Spiegel also points at reports showing how very many of the remote control drones are malfunction and go lost in crashes, or troops trying to retrieve them get ambushed. There are so many very different aspects that get adressed, that each nation currently seem to focus its' media attention on only a small ammount of the overall ammount of information released here.

Also, it is was mentioned by the chief editors of the newspapers and Wikileaks as well, that critical information that could effect running operations or put lives at risk, get withhold from public release, or get blacked out.

Much more things go wrong in Afghanistan then what the media usually gets told and then reports, or what governments try to make us believe. And this material seems to be a huge truckload of first-hand information from those who know the situation better than most others: the men fighting this messy war at the frontline, on the basis of political lies, illusions and deceitful claims of their own government on why they get send there.

Note that I do not make much difference between Germans and Americans and British and Dutch and others here. All our governments have lost their senses over Afghanistan. and no matter their flags, all our soldiers over there need to spoon out the soup politicians at home have messed up.

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http://www.bookrags.com/biography/daniel-ellsberg/

the same guy fears that the Us is planning a hit on the Wikileaks founder, since it is no secret that the government would love to shut down Wikileaks better yesterday than today, and that it is "exmained" how that could be acchieved. so far they preferred to focus on "legal actions", or hindering Wikileaks' access to thr world wide web. After this stunt now, one indeed cannot rule out that Wikileaks is considered to be too great a threat to government and party interests as if even an accident or a hit could be ruled out.

This is causing quite a stir in the UK and tbh I'm not suprised.

Anyone any idea where the leak came from?

If I recall correctly, the Yahoo News article I read last night said it was the same guy that leaked the video of Iraqi journalists being killed by the Apache crew.

EDIT - A former US military analyst. Not remembering his name ATM.

Can anyone verify this information? I'm not finding the article I read last night. :/

You all are missing the point. There is really nothing "new" in this "news", but everyone wants to act like its something revealing. It's much ado about nothing in many ways.

Its more a way for some to stir up those with similiar views by manufacturing "secret information" that anyone should have known if they used their brain.

Does the government hide too much - of course. That's not news either.....

Yeah I read that too. My question is what makes a newspaper editor such an expert that he can make such determinations?

Also, what is their chain of custody like? Is it good enough to keep the withheld critical information out of the wrong hands? I'm betting it isn't.

+1 :up: I have to agree with sky. Your enemy is your government. There personal interest are for themselves and there friends. Unless your part of that system of there your worthless to them. Just trash.

Not entirely; someone has to keep the mills running. :03:

The regime is not pleased...

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010...ul-amid-probe/

Ah, right...cheers :up:

Agreed. This is most underhanded. The media is not the media of 50 years ago. Integrity has given way to the almighty dollar. The outlet that can spill the most dirt, spill it the quickest, and give the highest justification to its 'base' is the one with the fattest coffers. It is simply that pointing the finger at the government is very fashionable nowadays. A year ago, it was corporations. Before that, it was the military. Tomorrow, it will be something else.

It's not often I agree with August. I don't know what was in the document's, and I don't care. No matter what those classified document's contain, they'll only be twisted around to further Media ratings, Jihadist agenda's, and put peoples lives in further danger. Whoever decided to do that is a scumbag, and the media moguls should know better then to risk national security over god damn ratings. Scumbags, all.

What makes a poltiician or a committee member such an expert? Are you sure those having a word on hiding or releasing these things do so much better a job? I don't.

The expertise of an editor depends on the person and his background. Note that it were complete teams, not indovudual persons, and that they spend weeks on this task. also note that it were three different intenrational papers, not just one bean-counter in the back corner of some forgotten office. I assume they have not put their "local news" editors on it. However, blacking out names and faces and adresses should be something not so impossible to acchieve. however, I must wondering that when you are so distrustful to them, why you do not complain about the trust beytrayed by the government that runs the war and wants to keep the reality of it hidden. Do you really have any reason to be so sure that they do that much a better job with the responsibility they have? When I look at how Afghanistan and the ISAf mission detoriated over the past 7 years, I see no reason at all to put any trust in my or your government's handling of the war at all. Both stink, both ignore unwanted realities, both raise false promises about the future, and the other governments do like that as well. And these people's deeds you want to let go by unmonitored and uncontrolled, although their failure and betrayal cannot be hidden and they are costing the lives of your own and our own troops?? Listen to their public statements and conferences and promises - their words speak for themselves in order to illustrate how disconnected from reality they are. They need to be stopped.

when judging the way the war has been handled for 7 years you may want to be more concerned about the lack of realism and expertise of both the Bush and the Obama governments and the way they "managed" the war, as well as the failure of the other nation'S governments driven by illusions as well. And if their competence to withhold any knowledge from the public (that the public depends on in order to form an educated opinion on the war), can compensate for that lacking sense of realism and expertise, is highly in doubt.

I do not knopw if in 2014 their realyl will be a major withdrawel. but I can tell you for sure that in 2014 the Afghan security apparatus still will not derseve that name and still will be as impotent as it is now and has been two years ago and has been three and four and five years ago, with the Pakistani not stopping the ways in which they run their game. Why should they if it runs so well for them.

They can whine and scream all they want. The only reason they caught the man who exposed the cowardly attack on the Reuters reporters is because he bragged in a chat. Wikileaks likely has it VERY clear now (Well unless they are stupid beyond belief) that when someone releases such info that exposes politicians for the dirty liars they are the person letting loose the info needs to be silent elseware.