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Tribesman 07-06-10 03:48 PM

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Bring back Black Jack Pershing.

His success or failure in his task is not the issue.
Surely his failure is an issue as it wouldn't make sense to try something again already knowing it won't work.

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The issue is that the US Government has in the past used the US Army to protect US Citizens on and near the mexican border.
But it didn't work.

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Defending HOME borders is the primary role of armies.
But this is a customs and immigration issue so its the primary role of US customs and border protection and US immigration and customs enforcement agencies not the army.
To put it plainly its a police matter.

GoldenRivet 07-06-10 05:48 PM

All i can say with certainty is that if we had a president with any balls between his legs...

the FIRST threat to US law enforcement personnel by illegal intruders into this nation would be the last.

Castout 07-06-10 08:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Sailor Steve (Post 1436811)
Invade

–verb (used with object)

1. to enter forcefully as an enemy; go into with hostile intent: Germany invaded Poland in 1939.

Then again it was because Germany lost the war had they won it would be Poland invaded Germany in 1939 ;)

Snestorm 07-07-10 03:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Tribesman (Post 1437254)
But this is a customs and immigration issue so its the primary role of US customs and border protection and US immigration and customs enforcement agencies not the army.
To put it plainly its a police matter.

Customs is for people entering through legal checkpoints and channels.

Immigration determines who may enter, through legal checkpoints and channels, and may deny entry to some, or force the deportation of others.

When the numbers entering through non-legitimate channels reaches into the millions, it's an invasion. The purpose of an army, is to defend their country's border.

Gerald 07-07-10 03:36 AM

Man!
 
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Originally Posted by GoldenRivet (Post 1437371)
All i can say with certainty is that if we had a president with any balls between his legs...

the FIRST threat to US law enforcement personnel by illegal intruders into this nation would be the last.

Time to take day off.....:haha:

Skybird 07-07-10 04:17 AM

In Germany, we don't hear much news on the internal war in Mexico between the government and the drug cartels, but it seems the government already has lost it. This German essay sheds some light on it, and puts the topic of this thread into relation. I think it is not regular Mexican army units acting by order of the government when doing those border crossings, but it is corrupted criminals who are in the pockets of the drug cartels.

The US must urgently rethink it's approach to the border problem, and it's relation to the government. It prioritizes rraltions to an actor who is not master in his house, and by doing so ignores the more immediate, threatening implication.

Problems do not go away when ignoring them and hoping for the fair queen solving them. Instead, they grow. This serious thinking error the foreign political team of the Obama administration seems to be extremely vulnerable to, in general.

since the DEA and the borderpatrols seem to be unable to handle the situation and thus, plice authorities have failed, I would send the National guard to the border areas in question, and engage these militant border crossings with military force: infantry, mortars, gunships. Mexico hardly is in a moral position to complain.


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