Bundes-wagen, love it :har:

Well played, good sir, well played. An internets for you.

Do you really think it would be left to that...? The ICF offers 12 billion, the EU (compared to the ICF with the smaller experience in dealing with countries like Greece) so far offers 30 billion, of whioch germany would need to pay 8.5 and France 6 billion.

Last week I read calculations that these 45 billion would be eaten up within the next 6 months - for credit and interest issues only. After that period of time, greece would have even greater debts and interest rates it would need to service. Halleluja.

It is not 8.5 billion for the Germans. All in all more realistic calculations project Greece being in need of 80 - 270 billion euros over the next 3 years. Guess who is expected to pay the lion's share of that.

And then comes Portugal. Spain.

As the BBC put it in an essay: it could end up with the Germans paying for better Greek than their own pensions in Germany.

I think it is necessary to let Greece crash hard against the wall by kicking them out of the eurozone. The announcement of such a move would be that people storm the banks and try to get back their savings, which would kill the banks in Greece completely. After that, we have an Argentinian status in Greece. All that is not nice but now it is about containing the crisis, not about preventing it anymore.

All this comes becasue cheating was allowed by the EU and leaders looked the other direction for too long. Now you have the result of this dilletantism: a total mess.

BTW, Germany already is increasing it'S debts, too. Let nobody assume that Germany could pay a single million for others without making debts itself. Our deficit is hitting record heights, and we are in danger of folliwjg hte same opath like the US has done since some years earlier. Before the banking crisis, we were close to having a balanced budget for the first time ever. Now, two years later, we have the highest total debt level ever, the highest new debts raise ever, the most deficitary yearly budget ever. If somebody thinks Germany is financially so rich that it could afford all the things demanded from it, let him think again. We have started to live more excessively on tick than ever before. As I said: germany has started to follow the example of the US: Debts, more debts, and then more debts.

I hope nobody is naive enough to assume that the western debts are ever intended to be payed back. and this says something about the functionality of our economical systems and philosophies. They simply do not work without "infinite money" cheats and the "God mode" hack. Which means they do not function at all.

Ehm... no :D

Yesterdays sarcastic peanuts... it´s the only way to handle this bunch of liars, cheaters and incompetent ministers... (completing the list would kill my day)

Todays newspaper:
Wolfgang Schäuble - german finance minister:

- "The stability of the euro will be defended in athens!" Say what?

- "No one really knows what it will cost..." Uhm... sounds bad... but...

- "It will be no cost for the german people... because it´s a credit that has to be paid back!" Aaaahhh! Now i´m enlighted and will happily give all my money to greece, portugal, spain.... :doh:

So come on Skybird. Trust our government! :yeah:

P.S.: I really share your point of view. Well said.

@ Phantom,

very good comment in the FAZ:

"We all are living on the ground of lifelong lies":

http://www.faz.net/s/RubCF3AEB154CE6...~Scontent.html

Scaring how true this is.

P.S. Berlin you live at? Where? I stayed ten years there, near the Kaisereiche/Friedenau, in the 80s. It seems you Berliners over there are already preparing again for the "Kampf in den Mai"...? :-?

Yepp this is scary. But more scary is the ignorance and the boredom of all the "small" people all over europe. Where´s the ****ing raised fist? And no i don´t mean the braindead rowdys and hooligans from our beloved "Battle of 1. May" in Berlin.

Are we really this dull and brainwashed...? That can bring one in rage.

Oh and Berlin...
According to senator Körting the police have to deal with 3000 - 5000 neonazi´s and around 10.000 members on countermarches. Hope the de-escalating strategy works well this year. Especially in Pankow where i live :D Stupidly the focus will be exactly there (according to our newspapers).

However... i´m far away, kicking stones into the Steinhuder Meer, enjoy a sunny weekend with my wife. :up:

Some people are so stupid not to understand that getting money loaned is not equal to creating it out of nothing. You are now rich because you have brought from the future the full amount of money you would be able to spare in that future. But you only can do so once. You feel, rich, you burn it, and then suddenly your pockets are empty ... not just for now but for the next 30 years.

This has happened to Greece and is happening now to Spain. Bloody a**holes those politicians that just promise and promise and increase debt they will not pay. And instead of lining them up in front of a firing squad, people go and vote for them :88) THis just shows that Spain is in fact still 3rd world, much closer to Africa than to EU. And that is the reason why Germany can't keep up with this, it's not a problem of echonomy, it's a problem of society. Mediterranean societies are unfortunatelly in general retarded, lame, and with no sense of responsability.

Germany will not pull out of the EU. It will push out the lot who don't deserve to be there, which is something quite different :nope:

This is the whole point of it. Going into debt that seems to never end till it crashes one day.. Top dogs won't feel a thing. Us on the bottom of the food chain will be hit hard. We'll be fighting for the last bit of scraps. Elites will toss a bone from time to time... Give some of us a break... :88)

:rotfl2:

@ Hitman

Do you really think it's any different here?
People vote those who promise the most and usually punish those on election day who tell the truth. Therefore no one is telling the truth any more and everyone keeps on smiling all the time although the ship is already half way under the waves. Well, at least the band is still playing.:yeah:

@Schroeder, its the same all over Europe currently

the governement in Holland was very good in spending more then what the country earned...increasing the national debt...and now they go ''We'll have to cut in the Healthcare AGAIN, in education AGAIN!''

if they have to cut in something its the governement expenses...:stare:

HunterICX

I hope soon, I made a bet with a mate that I pull out of this dead hooker at the same time as Germany pulls out of EU. :doh:

At least I am not the only one in a dead hooker.

Ow it's you?! I heard someone typing on her head side, but she's so darn bloated that I can't see who it is. So, how's things over on that side?

The nose fell off, exploring new avenues of exitement.