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Onkel Neal 04-10-10 10:05 AM
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Originally Posted by Storm87 (Post 1354685)
Now we know the exact number of casualities - 96 (88 passengers and 8 crew members.) No one survived. Tu-154M crashed during 4th attempt to land. It hit the trees in heavy fog, few hundred meters away from the airfield. So a mistake of the pilot and bad weather conditions are most probably cause.

In crash died our president, Lech Kaczyński, first lady Maria, along with 12 members of parlament, 2 senators, 3 deputy ministers, and many others parlament and government highly officials.

Also 3 persons from presidential staff, 9 priests (most of them were chaplains), 6 army generals, 15 WWII combatants and 8 secret service guards. :(


Here in Poland, we all (no matter of our political preferences) regreat that loss. Irreplaceable, extraordinary persons died there. :cry: :cry:


(sorry for bad english)

Well said. My condolences to your country's loss. This must really be a black day for you. Your friends here share your sorrow, mate. :cry:

Neal

http://www.futureradio.co.uk/files/i...PolandFlag.jpg

tater 04-10-10 10:27 AM
4th attempt to land?

Hard to believe they had no ILS anyplace a President would fly to.

Sad indeed.

Storm87 04-10-10 10:37 AM
This is also enormous tragedy for our military forces... Another one. Just 2 years ago we've lost 16 top commanders of our air forces (and 4 crew members) in C-295M "CASA" crash in Mirosławiec. :cry:

And now actually all army General Staff is gone... We lost today 6 head commanders of all kind of forces. :cry:

lt. gen. BRONISŁAW KWIATKOWSKI (operational forces)
gen. ANDRZEJ BŁASIK (air forces)
gen. TADEUSZ BUK (land forces)
gen. WOJCIECH POTASIŃSKI (special forces)
v. adm. ANDRZEJ KARWETA (navy)
gen. KAZIMIERZ GILARSKI (chief of general staff)

:cry:

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Originally Posted by tater (Post 1354734)
4th attempt to land?

Hard to believe they had no ILS anyplace a President would fly to.

Sad indeed.
Yes, outdated Smolensk military airfield have no ILS system. :(

tater 04-10-10 10:52 AM
Storm87, what a terrible loss for Poland. Again, my deepest sympathy for your country.

HunterICX 04-10-10 11:05 AM
A sad day for Poland, and to think they where underway to attend to the 70th anniversary of the memorial of Katyn..:(

my thoughts go the the Polish people that lost too much today.http://img689.imageshack.us/img689/9577/abnsalute.gif

HunterICX

CCIP 04-10-10 11:21 AM
Again, condolences to Poland. Both on my part personally and as a Russian. This really is a national loss - it's one thing to lose the president or any single political figure, but to lose that many crucial and in many instances remarkable people is just beyond all politics. :(

I hope the causes of this are established, so far everything is pointing to human error. Whatever it is though, something has gone really wrong.

Onkel Neal 04-10-10 12:00 PM
Just a friendly reminder, let's stay on topic from here on, please.

Platapus 04-10-10 12:20 PM
De mortius nil nisi bonum dicendum est
Basic human dignity should move us at least honour the dead and show sympathy towards their families before engaging in petty squabbling about opinions about the character of the dead.

I did not know these people. But I know people who have died and people who have lost loved ones. I don't have to know these dead in order to empathize with the living about their loss.

Onkel Neal 04-10-10 12:34 PM
...on topic.

sonar732 04-10-10 12:36 PM
Hopefully there won't be a power vacuum created and there will be a smooth transition. My condolences to the families and the country as a whole!

Storm87 04-10-10 12:48 PM
Here You can find a full list of those who died in this disaster. This is a final list - 89 passengers and 7 crew members.

http://www.mmlodz.pl/8679/2010/4/10/...?category=news

And here, gallery with photos of most of them. In upper right corner you will find arrows to navigate. "Następne" (next) and "Poprzednie" (back).

http://wiadomosci.wp.pl/gid,12158338...a,galeria.html


Everything is in polish, but i think that words have not much importance here. :cry:

Sailor Steve 04-10-10 01:01 PM
A terrible tragedy.

Storm87, thanks for that link. It makes it more real and harder to ignore when you see the faces of the victims.

Sometimes it's too easy to say "So what? I didn't know them". I still don't know them, but at least now to me they were real people.

Jimbuna 04-10-10 01:44 PM
Appreciate the link Storm http://www.psionguild.org/forums/ima...s/thumbsup.gif

Tribesman 04-10-10 02:32 PM
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De mortius nil nisi bonum dicendum est
Surely that only counts till some time after the funerals are over, its not like anyone would go slagging the dead straight away is it.
Seriously, if it wasn't for the gap of decency that seperates the event and the legacy, some fool might start ranting about Polish politics at an inoppertune time.

UnderseaLcpl 04-10-10 03:21 PM
My condolences to the Polish people and the president's family. I don't know anything about him, but his station commands respect. <salute>


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